Determination: Sprinklers in lieu of protected route in domestic house

[William 29]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADRA_enGB438GB440&q=determination+45%2F01%2F236

Interesting reading! Not sure if any smoke cals and the level of detail around the maintaining tenability of the ground floor were made?

[Golden]

There is a study of open plan accommodation by NHBC that has similar objectives and the particular issue was overcome by the addition of some extract ventilation which may have been useful here. Its a complex problem but in my opinion with adequate maintenance of the fire safety measures the solution could work for a single private dwelling as I'd argue a lot of the social factors wouldn't be present in an occupancy of this type. There are issues with assumed fire size and tenable limits within the access rooms.

http://www.nhbcfoundation.org/Researchpublications/OpenPlanFlatLayoutsNF19/tabid/431/Default.aspx

Playing devil's advocate - given that fire brigades can now significantly cut the number of fire stations as there are so many fewer fires is this not an example of a nanny state "having their cake and eating it"? Maybe they should try again now in 2014?

[Tom Sutton]

Check out http://www.firesprinklers.org.uk/NHBC%20report.pdf if you do not want to register with NHBC.

[Firey Fellow]

In my opinon there are significant problems with whacking in so many precautions or fire engineered solutions in dwellings.

Having seen how some multinationals mismanage their heavily fire safety engineered buildings I bet Joe Bloggs the resident will be substantially worse at looking after precautions he probably has very little understanding of, or interest in.





 

[AnthonyB]

And even if the original householder is relatively proactive in managing the precautions, the chances of that continuing if they sell it and move are pot luck at best!

[Firey Fellow]

And even if the original householder is relatively proactive in managing the precautions, the chances of that continuing if they sell it and move are pot luck at best!

Absolutely.

In my opinion the balance between allowing greater design freedoms using engineered or complex fire safety measures is potentially outweighed by the incompetence or ignorance of the end user. And it sort of defeats the object in a sense.

[Dinnertime Dave]

In my opinon there are significant problems with whacking in so many precautions or fire engineered solutions in dwellings.

Having seen how some multinationals mismanage their heavily fire safety engineered buildings I bet Joe Bloggs the resident will be substantially worse at looking after precautions he probably has very little understanding of, or interest in
 

I agree had some experience with a block of flats. They are about 10 years old they have sprinklers in flats as compensatory for design. Residents don't maintain them a keep calling us when the under sink system goes into fault.

Prefer to see fire safety systems in communal areas where the maintenance can be enforced.

[Firey Fellow]

Depends upon what communal fire precautions you mean DD.

I guess an Englishman's home is his castle (forgive the saying) and if he chooses to put himself at risk then so be it so long as his actions dont effect others....i have known residents remove internal doors in their flats. The role of fire precautions is to protect the many from the foolish actions of the few

[kurnal]

If sprinklers are installed in flats as a compensatory feature to protect the communal areas then they should be under the control of the landlord and not the individual flat occupiers. Ditto where provided in high rise blocks under Building Regulations.

Interested in hearing more about your case DD.

Oh and should I put a kiss on the bottom like Firey Fellow? Oh go on then xx.