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THE REGULATORY REFORM (FIRE SAFETY) ORDER 2005 => Guides and Legislation Links => Topic started by: kurnal on January 05, 2010, 05:11:32 PM
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Draft guidance for small B&Bs published for comment- some interesting elements.
Good exercise carried out on costings, though some of the prices quoted for fire alarm systems seem very high to me. Theres another new angle on the level of fire detection provided- big houses can have stand alone none interlinked smoke alarms so long as the dutyholder aspires to have them interconnected one day, guidance seens to be at variance from BS5839 part 6, locks and fire exit doors raise their head again etc etc.
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2009/11/26164339/0
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and because scots people have always been equal and diverse, there is no age limit for respondents, so get your comments in quick al.
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Nice to see Scotland has taken two years to copy 'Do you have paying guests', but without the nice graphics. The costings exercise is truely remarkable. ???
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Valerie, I think you wll find they did not copy it as there are very significant differences. So it is not really the far sighted copying the blind and slighty half witted after all.
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"big houses can have stand alone none interlinked smoke alarms so long as the dutyholder aspires to have them interconnected one day"
Thats what I thought when I looked at the draft over and over, but now I see a bit that says
Alarms should be interlinked so that actuation of one causes actuation of others.
I also see terms used such as proprietor/persons/owner/operator/anyone who has control, should we not just be trying to stick with the terminology we have all been trying to get used to over the last 3,1/2 years the "dutyholder"?
also I see that the proprietor/persons/owner/operator/anyone who has control is being asked to consider installing mains powered smoke alarms permanently wired to a circuit when the lifetime of the 10 year battery is ended or when repair or redecoration work is being carried out
Will this really happen? will some want to bother wiring back to the mains after such a long period of time, I wonder if there is really that much cost difference between repalcing all the 10 year interlinked battery detectors and providing one year battery back up mains powered detectors.
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"big houses can have stand alone none interlinked smoke alarms so long as the dutyholder aspires to have them interconnected one day"
Thats what I thought when I looked at the draft over and over, but now I see a bit that says
Alarms should be interlinked so that actuation of one causes actuation of others.
also I see that the proprietor/persons/owner/operator/anyone who has control is being asked to consider installing mains powered smoke alarms permanently wired to a circuit when the lifetime of the 10 year battery is ended or when repair or redecoration work is being carried out
Will this really happen? will some want to bother wiring back to the mains after such a long period of time, I wonder if there is really that much cost difference between repalcing all the 10 year interlinked battery detectors and providing one year battery back up mains powered detectors.
Thanks for putting me right on that Ricardo. But I agree with you over the upgrade on redecorating . If they redecorate within the first five years many dutyholders will think replacing new detectors is a waste of money. if they get away with it for 10 years then they will say that the likelihood of a fire is so remote it does not need doing.
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also I see that the proprietor/persons/owner/operator/anyone who has control is being asked to consider installing mains powered smoke alarms permanently wired to a circuit when the lifetime of the 10 year battery is ended or when repair or redecoration work is being carried out
Makes me wonder if it is good enough for 10 years what's wrong with another 10?
Why would painting the ceiling suddenly make a battery system unsuitable?
Who writes this stuff?
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Who writes this stuff?
Apparently, these people:
Local Government
Convenors of joint fire and rescue boards
Chief Officers of the fire and rescue services
Chief Fire Officers Association (CFOA)
Chief Executives of local authorities
Convention of Scottish Local Authorities (CoSLA)
Society of Local Authority Chief Executives and Senior Manager (SOLACE)
Association of Chief Police Officers (Scotland) (ACPOS)
Scottish Parliament
Justice 2 Committee
Scottish Labour Party
Scottish Liberal Democrats
Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party
Scottish Nationalist Party
Scottish Socialist Party
Scottish Green Party
Scottish Senior Citizens' Unity Party
Dennis Canavan, MSP
Ms Jean Turner, MSP
Ms Margo MacDonald, MSP
Scottish Youth Parliament
Scottish Parliament's Information Centre
European Parliament
Scottish MEPs
Other Government Departments/Organisations
Scottish Fire Services College
Fire Service College (Moreton-in-Marsh)
Health and Safety Executive
Ministry of Defence
Scottish Environment Protection Agency
Chief Executive, Scottish Prison Service
Scotland Office
National Assembly for Wales
Northern Ireland Executive
Office of the Deputy Prime Minister
Historic Scotland
Health Protection Scotland
Scottish Commission for the Regulation of Care
Office of the Charity Regulator
Department of Health, Social Security and Public Safety
Scottish Building Standards Agency
Building Standards Advisory Committee
Scottish Enterprise
Highlands and Islands Enterprise
Trade Unions/Staff Associations
Fire Brigades Union (FBU)
Scottish Trades Union Congress (STUC)
Retained Firefighters Union (RFU)
Fire Officers' Association
Association of Principal Fire Officers
UNISON
GMB Scotland
Transport and General Workers' Union
Professional Bodies/Trade Associations
Institution of Fire Engineers
Association of British Insurers
Emergency Planning Society
Forestry and Timber Association
Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) in Scotland Building Control Forum
Scottish Association of Building Standards Managers
The British Hospitality Association
Scottish Personal Assistant Employers Network
Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland
Society of Chief Officers of Trading Standards in Scotland
Cold Storage and Distribution Federation
Equality and Diversity Groups
Positive Action in Housing
Commission for Racial Equality
Equal Opportunities Commission
Scottish Human Rights Centre
African and Caribbean Network
West of Scotland Racial Equality Council
Grampian Racial Equality Council
Tayside Racial Equality Council
Central Scotland Racial Equality Council
Edinburgh and Lothians Racial Equality Council
Scottish Gypsy/Traveller Association
Scottish Refugee Council
Black Community Development Project
BEMIS
Inclusion Scotland
Scottish Disability Equality Forum
Disability Rights Commission
Enable
SENSE Scotland
Capability Scotland
Royal National Institute for the Blind (RNIB)
Royal National Institute for Deaf People (RNID)
Scottish Association for Mental Health
Scottish Council on Deafness
Glasgow Women's Library
Engender
Equality Network
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) Youth
Age Concern Scotland
Help the Aged
OUTRIGHT Scotland
Scottish Consortium for Learning Disability
National Autistic Society Scotland
The Scottish Society for Autism
Deafblind Scotland
Deaf Action
British Deaf Association Scotland
EMPOWER
Black Environment Network
Scottish Council for Minorities Rights
Religious Groups
Action of Churches Together in Scotland
Scottish Interfaith Council
Scottish Catholic Education Service
Church of Scotland Education Department
Evangelical Alliance (Scotland)
Free Church of Scotland
Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland
International Society for Krishna Consciousness (Scotland)
Methodist Church
Scottish Churches Parliamentary Officer
Scottish Council of Jewish Communities
UK Islamic Mission
Radio Ramzan
Glasgow Central Mosque
Care Sector
Woodlands Education Trust
North West Elderly Day Care Center
Scottish Institute for Residential Child Care
Relatives and Residents Association
Alzheimer Scotland
Key Housing Association
Community Care Providers Scotland
CrossReach
Aberlour Child Care Trust
Barnardos
Scottish Care
Abbeyfield Society for Scotland Ltd
Quarriers
BUPA Care Homes
BUPA Care Services
Scottish Social Services Council
Association of Directors of Social Work (ADSW)
Association of Headteachers of Residential Special Schools
NCH (formerly known as National Children's Home)
Turning Point
Scottish Out of School Care Network
Business Sector
Confederation of British Industry (CBI) Scotland
Federation of Small Businesses
Forum of Private Businesses
Institute of Directors Scotland
Scottish Chambers of Commerce
Scottish Retail Consortium
Scottish Food and Drink Federation
Fire Industry Confederation
Scotch Whisky Association
The Malt Distillers Association of Scotland
The Cinemas Exhibitors' Association
British Greyhound Racing Board
National Greyhound Racing Club Ltd
British Horseracing Board
National Federation of Retail Newsagents
Scottish Beer and Pub Association
Scottish Business in the Community
Scottish Consumer Council
Scottish Football Association
Scottish Grocers' Federation
Scottish Licensed Trade Association
Scottish Premier League
Scottish Rugby Union
Scottish Council for Development and Industry
Association of British Bookmakers
National Association of Bookmakers Ltd
Scottish Independent Bookmakers Association
Bar, Entertainment and Dance Association
British Casino Association
Association of British Theatre Technicians
UK Warehousing Association
NHS Scotland/Other medical
Chief Executives, NHS Boards
Chief Executives, Special Boards
British Dental Association (Scottish branch)
British Medical Association (Scottish branch)
British Heart Foundation
British Lung Foundation
Cancer Research UK
Macmillan Cancer Relief
Marie Curie Cancer Relief
Chest, Heart and Stroke Scotland
Diabetes UK, Scotland
The State Hospitals Board for Scotland
Scottish Ambulance Service
NHS Scotland (Property and Environment Forum)
NHS Quality Improvement Scotland
The Scottish Health Council
Royal College of Nursing
Royal College of Physicians
Royal College of Surgeons
Royal Society of Edinburgh
Education sector
Scottish Council of Independent Schools
Association of Scottish Colleges
General Teaching Council for Scotland
Universities Scotland
Scottish Parent Teacher Council
The Scottish School Board Association
Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council
Learning and Teaching Scotland
Head Teachers Association of Scotland
Transport
Confederation of Passenger Transport
First Scotrail
Virgin Trains
GNER
Scottish City Link
National Express
British Ports Association
UK Major Ports Group
Caledonian MacBrayne Ltd
Northlink Orkney and Shetland Ferries Ltd
Orkney Ferries
P & O Scottish Ferries
Stena Line Ltd
BAA Edinburgh
BAA Glasgow
BAA Aberdeen
Glasgow Prestwick International Airport
Dundee Airport
Highlands and Islands Airport Ltd
British Midland
British Airways
Easyjet
Loganair
Ryanair
Scotairways
British European
The National Taxi Association
Strathclyde Passenger Transport
The Chamber of Shipping
Clydeport Ltd
Forth Ports Plc
Stagecoach Scotland
Shipping Services Advisory Committee North
Shipping Services Advisory Committee South
Shipping Services Advisory Committee Clyde
Voluntary
Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations (SCVO)
Volunteer Development Scotland
Learning Link Scotland
Association of Chief Officers of Scottish Voluntary Organisations
Salvation Army Scotland
Voluntary Sector Services Workforce Unit
Scottish Civic Trust
Others
Scottish Civic Forum
Fire Protection Association
Fire Service Research and Training Trust
Fire Services National Benevolent Fund
Building Research Establishment
Arson Prevention Bureau
Direct Payments Scotland
National Trust for Scotland
Association of Scottish Community Councils
Citizens Advice Scotland
Scottish Houses in Multiple Occupation Network Group
Scottish Youth Hostels Association
Scottish Association of Local Sports Councils
Sportscotland
Scottish Tourism Forum
Visitscotland
Association of Scottish Visitor Attractions
The Royal Highland Agricultural Society
The Royal Highland Education Trust
Keep Scotland Beautiful
Friends of the Earth Scotland
Copyright Libraries
List reproduced without even the limited courtesy of Colin. S. Todd. [http://www.kingfell.com/~forum/index.php?topic=3947.0]
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Who writes this stuff?
Apparently, these people:
Local Government
Convenors of joint fire and rescue boards
Chief Officers of the fire and rescue services
Chief Fire Officers Association (CFOA)
Chief Executives of local authorities
Convention of Scottish Local Authorities (CoSLA)
Society of Local Authority Chief Executives and Senior Manager (SOLACE)
Association of Chief Police Officers (Scotland) (ACPOS)
Scottish Parliament
Justice 2 Committee
Scottish Labour Party
Scottish Liberal Democrats
Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party
Scottish Nationalist Party
Scottish Socialist Party
Scottish Green Party
Scottish Senior Citizens' Unity Party
Dennis Canavan, MSP
Ms Jean Turner, MSP
Ms Margo MacDonald, MSP
Scottish Youth Parliament
Scottish Parliament's Information Centre
European Parliament
Scottish MEPs
Other Government Departments/Organisations
Scottish Fire Services College
Fire Service College (Moreton-in-Marsh)
Health and Safety Executive
Ministry of Defence
Scottish Environment Protection Agency
Chief Executive, Scottish Prison Service
Scotland Office
National Assembly for Wales
Northern Ireland Executive
Office of the Deputy Prime Minister
Historic Scotland
Health Protection Scotland
Scottish Commission for the Regulation of Care
Office of the Charity Regulator
Department of Health, Social Security and Public Safety
Scottish Building Standards Agency
Building Standards Advisory Committee
Scottish Enterprise
Highlands and Islands Enterprise
Trade Unions/Staff Associations
Fire Brigades Union (FBU)
Scottish Trades Union Congress (STUC)
Retained Firefighters Union (RFU)
Fire Officers' Association
Association of Principal Fire Officers
UNISON
GMB Scotland
Transport and General Workers' Union
Professional Bodies/Trade Associations
Institution of Fire Engineers
Association of British Insurers
Emergency Planning Society
Forestry and Timber Association
Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) in Scotland Building Control Forum
Scottish Association of Building Standards Managers
The British Hospitality Association
Scottish Personal Assistant Employers Network
Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland
Society of Chief Officers of Trading Standards in Scotland
Cold Storage and Distribution Federation
Equality and Diversity Groups
Positive Action in Housing
Commission for Racial Equality
Equal Opportunities Commission
Scottish Human Rights Centre
African and Caribbean Network
West of Scotland Racial Equality Council
Grampian Racial Equality Council
Tayside Racial Equality Council
Central Scotland Racial Equality Council
Edinburgh and Lothians Racial Equality Council
Scottish Gypsy/Traveller Association
Scottish Refugee Council
Black Community Development Project
BEMIS
Inclusion Scotland
Scottish Disability Equality Forum
Disability Rights Commission
Enable
SENSE Scotland
Capability Scotland
Royal National Institute for the Blind (RNIB)
Royal National Institute for Deaf People (RNID)
Scottish Association for Mental Health
Scottish Council on Deafness
Glasgow Women's Library
Engender
Equality Network
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) Youth
Age Concern Scotland
Help the Aged
OUTRIGHT Scotland
Scottish Consortium for Learning Disability
National Autistic Society Scotland
The Scottish Society for Autism
Deafblind Scotland
Deaf Action
British Deaf Association Scotland
EMPOWER
Black Environment Network
Scottish Council for Minorities Rights
Religious Groups
Action of Churches Together in Scotland
Scottish Interfaith Council
Scottish Catholic Education Service
Church of Scotland Education Department
Evangelical Alliance (Scotland)
Free Church of Scotland
Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland
International Society for Krishna Consciousness (Scotland)
Methodist Church
Scottish Churches Parliamentary Officer
Scottish Council of Jewish Communities
UK Islamic Mission
Radio Ramzan
Glasgow Central Mosque
Care Sector
Woodlands Education Trust
North West Elderly Day Care Center
Scottish Institute for Residential Child Care
Relatives and Residents Association
Alzheimer Scotland
Key Housing Association
Community Care Providers Scotland
CrossReach
Aberlour Child Care Trust
Barnardos
Scottish Care
Abbeyfield Society for Scotland Ltd
Quarriers
BUPA Care Homes
BUPA Care Services
Scottish Social Services Council
Association of Directors of Social Work (ADSW)
Association of Headteachers of Residential Special Schools
NCH (formerly known as National Children's Home)
Turning Point
Scottish Out of School Care Network
Business Sector
Confederation of British Industry (CBI) Scotland
Federation of Small Businesses
Forum of Private Businesses
Institute of Directors Scotland
Scottish Chambers of Commerce
Scottish Retail Consortium
Scottish Food and Drink Federation
Fire Industry Confederation
Scotch Whisky Association
The Malt Distillers Association of Scotland
The Cinemas Exhibitors' Association
British Greyhound Racing Board
National Greyhound Racing Club Ltd
British Horseracing Board
National Federation of Retail Newsagents
Scottish Beer and Pub Association
Scottish Business in the Community
Scottish Consumer Council
Scottish Football Association
Scottish Grocers' Federation
Scottish Licensed Trade Association
Scottish Premier League
Scottish Rugby Union
Scottish Council for Development and Industry
Association of British Bookmakers
National Association of Bookmakers Ltd
Scottish Independent Bookmakers Association
Bar, Entertainment and Dance Association
British Casino Association
Association of British Theatre Technicians
UK Warehousing Association
NHS Scotland/Other medical
Chief Executives, NHS Boards
Chief Executives, Special Boards
British Dental Association (Scottish branch)
British Medical Association (Scottish branch)
British Heart Foundation
British Lung Foundation
Cancer Research UK
Macmillan Cancer Relief
Marie Curie Cancer Relief
Chest, Heart and Stroke Scotland
Diabetes UK, Scotland
The State Hospitals Board for Scotland
Scottish Ambulance Service
NHS Scotland (Property and Environment Forum)
NHS Quality Improvement Scotland
The Scottish Health Council
Royal College of Nursing
Royal College of Physicians
Royal College of Surgeons
Royal Society of Edinburgh
Education sector
Scottish Council of Independent Schools
Association of Scottish Colleges
General Teaching Council for Scotland
Universities Scotland
Scottish Parent Teacher Council
The Scottish School Board Association
Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council
Learning and Teaching Scotland
Head Teachers Association of Scotland
Transport
Confederation of Passenger Transport
First Scotrail
Virgin Trains
GNER
Scottish City Link
National Express
British Ports Association
UK Major Ports Group
Caledonian MacBrayne Ltd
Northlink Orkney and Shetland Ferries Ltd
Orkney Ferries
P & O Scottish Ferries
Stena Line Ltd
BAA Edinburgh
BAA Glasgow
BAA Aberdeen
Glasgow Prestwick International Airport
Dundee Airport
Highlands and Islands Airport Ltd
British Midland
British Airways
Easyjet
Loganair
Ryanair
Scotairways
British European
The National Taxi Association
Strathclyde Passenger Transport
The Chamber of Shipping
Clydeport Ltd
Forth Ports Plc
Stagecoach Scotland
Shipping Services Advisory Committee North
Shipping Services Advisory Committee South
Shipping Services Advisory Committee Clyde
Voluntary
Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations (SCVO)
Volunteer Development Scotland
Learning Link Scotland
Association of Chief Officers of Scottish Voluntary Organisations
Salvation Army Scotland
Voluntary Sector Services Workforce Unit
Scottish Civic Trust
Others
Scottish Civic Forum
Fire Protection Association
Fire Service Research and Training Trust
Fire Services National Benevolent Fund
Building Research Establishment
Arson Prevention Bureau
Direct Payments Scotland
National Trust for Scotland
Association of Scottish Community Councils
Citizens Advice Scotland
Scottish Houses in Multiple Occupation Network Group
Scottish Youth Hostels Association
Scottish Association of Local Sports Councils
Sportscotland
Scottish Tourism Forum
Visitscotland
Association of Scottish Visitor Attractions
The Royal Highland Agricultural Society
The Royal Highland Education Trust
Keep Scotland Beautiful
Friends of the Earth Scotland
Copyright Libraries
List reproduced without even the limited courtesy of Colin. S. Todd. [http://www.kingfell.com/~forum/index.php?topic=3947.0]
That explains it. The Northern Ireland Executive was involved.
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Nah "Help the Aged" - blame them!
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Nah "Help the Aged" - blame them!
Thanks for leaving me out of it MR.
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Nah "Help the Aged" - blame them!
Thanks for leaving me out of it MR.
Anytime NT anytime!