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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2005, 09:57:58 PM »
The footage in question showing people jumping to thei deaths was from an office block in Sao Paulo in Brasil. The irony was that the fire was in fact out when these people jumped. The authorities tried to tell people on the roof not to jump by using loudhailers from helicopters and messages written on the ground!

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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2005, 09:47:28 AM »
ive watched this debate from afar though with much interest.

im not sure the issue of which or even whether 'gory' videos has really been resolved. and if in fact a 'case plan' is produced prior to working with some youngsters and agreed/signed off or up to by those managers responsible for working with young people.

it seems to me that if there is any doubt as to what is suitable then that is reason enough not to show it. the bigger question though is what is happening in terms of managerial responsibility? are these individual cases being 'monitored' or 'supervised' by the managers of those responsible for the delivery.

we keep seeing f&rs's banging the drum about one initiative after the other then not accepting the responsibility of managing the process. its managements right to manage we keep being told, but the truth is that there is a responsibility to manage correctly that comes with that 'right' (if indeed it is a right or more correctly in my opinion a responsibility)

how many senior mangers review on a weekly basis (or even better, immediately after contact) some of the more 'difficult' cases? do any authority members have a specific reference/responsibility to monitor working with children (or other vulnerable people)

there is a time when the correct action is to pass the issue to those who are better equipped to deal with the case - but this decision can only often be made by someone remote to the issue or particular case.

we need to stop beating ourselves up if we are unable to resolve cases and be prepared to pass them on - that doesnt mean to say we couldnt play a part in any other process deemed suitable, it just means that simply we may not be the best people to deal with that particular case/issue.

i bit of honesty and the courage to say i cannot resolve this issue and the committment of managers to manage would go a long way.

videos are tools to use, not the answers to issues!


dave bev

ps it was agreed yesterday at the cfoa cfs task group meeting to review the current (now almost three years old) child safety protocol, this may come somewhere within the scope of the review?

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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2005, 01:53:02 AM »
Well Dave  Bev you managed to kill that debate, I bet you're real fun at parties!!

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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2005, 10:57:25 AM »
Davey is the most fun commie I have ever met.
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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2005, 05:46:48 PM »
actually you'll always find me in the kitchen at parties!

dave bev

mr todd, thats because perhaps you dont open your heart to all you meet!

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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2005, 06:45:05 PM »
Well there is a place for you and Mrs Davey at our Xmas party.
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2008, 10:38:41 PM »
I would suggest Bradford city or possibly the Station Fire, however this last one may be a little graphic (and hard to get hold of).

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2008, 04:48:48 AM »
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I would suggest Bradford city or possibly the Station Fire, however this last one may be a little graphic (and hard to get hold of).

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what is the "station" fire?

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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2008, 06:52:36 AM »
Station nightclub was an American fire disaster a few years ago in which over 100 people died in a small rural nightcvlub building. A band was live on stage and was being filmed by a local news reporter wen a firework on stage set the building on fire, the resulting fire was fully recorded. Its far too harrowing to use in a general  training session in my opinion.

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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2008, 09:53:55 AM »
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Station nightclub was an American fire disaster a few years ago in which over 100 people died in a small rural nightcvlub building. A band was live on stage and was being filmed by a local news reporter wen a firework on stage set the building on fire, the resulting fire was fully recorded. Its far too harrowing to use in a general  training session in my opinion.
If you can edit it a little it is an excellent training tool to show people behaviour and how quickly a fire can spread.
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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2008, 05:13:21 PM »
Fanatstic film footage and there are pdf plans to go with it, you need to be really sure of your audience to use it but great learning points for teaching.  You can google the Station Night Club Fire, it was in Rhode Island and get some piccies.

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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2008, 12:28:20 PM »
I know the Station fire was tragic and should be talked about with cautioned reverence in regards to those poor souls who lost their lives.
And I know it's going back a bit (nearly as far back as this thread). But does anyone else find it strange that the news reporter that Butler was filming for was the co-owner of the club and was making a report about night club health and safety.

Very strange prosecutions and court cases too.
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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2008, 07:08:26 PM »
Does anyone know where yoyu can get the PDF plans and written detailks of the facts etc for the station fire?  Also i agree with the fact that it need to be edited (a lot) for any almost any audience.  I would only show the whole thing to operational crews as they need to deal with this stuff regularly.


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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2008, 11:52:34 AM »
Try the Providence Journal (local newspaper)

Masses of links to official and unofficial stuff.

http://www.projo.com/extra/2003/stationfire/


Also two experiment / simulation vids with and without the sprinklers that should have been installed when "change of use" was originally granted.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6rP2m28itU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEdAx2sC9Qg
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« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2008, 12:46:09 PM »
Station nightclub fire is on YouTube in full & both Realplayer & fire fox have free add on's to allow you to extract the file from the site (normally you can't download streaming footage)

Layout plans and fatality location plans for the fire from the investigation are on the Station nightclub Wikipedia entry
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