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Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« on: February 08, 2013, 10:40:14 AM »
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All 46 fire and rescue services in England could be sold off to private firms under secret Government plans.

Local government minister Brandon Lewis calls for new laws that “would enable fire and rescue authorities in England to contract out their full range of services to a suitable provider” in a letter obtained by the Mirror.

He continues: “I appreciate that the proposals are not without controversy; however these changes will help remove barriers and to increase choices that fire and rescue authorities have to contract out their services.”

Labour last night hit out at the proposal. MP John Healey said: “This is a privatisation too far.

"Fire and rescue is an essential public service which we all depend on for our safety, and our lives.

"Firefighting is a no-go area for privatisation. The first and last concern of our fire services must be public protection not company profit.”

The Government is already considering handing over Cleveland Fire and Rescue service to a mutually-run company.

In the letter sent last month to the Regulatory Reform committee, which looks at planned legislation, Mr Lewis says authorities could be handed to a private firm or, as in Cleveland’s case, a “public service mutual.”

He adds: “Fire and Rescue authorities should be able to adopt alternative models for the delivery, under contract, for some or all of their services.

"Certain provisions in existing legislation preclude some services from being delivered by alternative providers.”

England’s 28,245 firefighters could end up with weaker pension and employment rights should the changes be rubber-stamped.

Mr Lewis announced in December the £20million sale of the Fire Service College to the private sector, with Capita named as preferred bidder.

Mr Healey added: “Ministers are already selling the national college to Capita. Now they are opening the door to wholesale privatisation of fire services. The Olympics security fiasco showed private firms often cost more and deliver less than promised when they take over public services.”

Matt Wrack, General Secretary of the Fire Brigades Union, said last night: “This is staggering and outrageous.

"It will put lives at risk as ­emergency services are run on a whim as private companies and their need for profit will come first.

“We have seen how the public lose out in other privatisations, such as rail, but for emergency services it is even more grotesque as we are there to save lives and property.”

The Fire Officers Association also voiced alarm.

A spokesman said: “Staff are extremely concerned it would not only lead to worse terms and conditions but prove to be the stepping stone towards the eventual privatisation of an essential emergency service.”

A Department for Communities and Local Government spokesman said: “We are keen to work with local authorities and staff to explore the scope for employee-led mutuals where there is local support and backing.”

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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2013, 08:13:51 PM »
Piggers, if I become a chief officer of one of the new private fire brigades, do you want to be Deputy?
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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 09:10:41 AM »
It depends, do I get shiny buttons and get to double declutch to my hearts content?

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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 11:51:35 AM »
No chance and No!

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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 02:48:48 PM »
Shiny buttons take too much work to keep clean and in my fire and rescue service there will be synchromesh so you dont need to worry about double declutching.  Should we ofer kelsall a job as our PR man in view of his excellent skills in engaging in marketing?
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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2013, 03:55:07 PM »
Sir Col,

I would like to join your Brigade. I'd love to be Assistant Chief Fire Officer with responsibility for Fire Safety, but I recognise my knowledge base isn't sufficient and I'm aiming too high.

So could I be a Divisional Commander (Head of Staplers, Paper Clips, and Other Office Consumables) instead?.

Would you offer a decent pakage? ie; company fire engine, healthcare cover, posh uniform,and generous pension?

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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2013, 04:35:48 PM »
Sir Col,

I would like to join your Brigade. I'd love to be Assistant Chief Fire Officer with responsibility for Fire Safety, but I recognise my knowledge base isn't sufficient and I'm aiming too high.

So could I be a Divisional Commander (Head of Staplers, Paper Clips, and Other Office Consumables) instead?.

Would you offer a decent pakage? ie; company fire engine, healthcare cover, posh uniform,and generous pension?
Thing is - who's going to put the fires out or will it just be a Service without purpose?
We're not Brazil we're Northern Ireland.

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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013, 06:54:15 PM »
Oh come on Nearlythere don't start throwing technical considerations into the mix. Why can't people just sit at a desk and look pretty? Whats all this fighting fires malarki? Just confuses the issue  :P

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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2013, 07:23:11 PM »
They dont go much to fires in England nowadays unless you can assure them that there are flames issuing from every window, in which case Retters will be able to see the fire from his home in Bordesley Green ( a place to which he always hints I will be invited but it never seems to happen). He can direct operations from there.

Which brigade will be buy first, Retters, London or West Mids.  We might as well think big.
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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2013, 09:15:48 PM »
I knew Colin always wanted to be firefighter.

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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2013, 09:19:23 PM »
Thing is - who's going to put the fires out or will it just be a Service without purpose?

It will not be a Service without a purpose. I'm sure we can write a Mission Statement that doesn't cause too much inconvenience with actual fire-fighting.

For example, we will work with community partners to reduce risk. We can visit all the local chip shops and check their fryers are at the right temperature (chips light golden brown and crispy). We will engage with local people on fire safety awareness. We will sit in M&S Cafe and hand out leaflets. We will develop best practice and share knowledge. We will visit a number of other areas and see what the fire risks are in, for example, palm trees and casinos.


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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2013, 11:54:57 PM »
JJ, I never wanted to be a firefighter, thats a scurrilous accusation. I see myself more as a Chief Fire Officer, working out the MPG of fire engines, closing fire stations, presiding over the oppression of the innocent, wasting money on lawyers and QCs in the hope of winning determinations that are non-starters and hob knobbing with members of the fire authority over a civilised glass of wine.  How difficult can that be?
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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2013, 07:28:33 AM »
JJ, I never wanted to be a firefighter, thats a scurrilous accusation. I see myself more as a Chief Fire Officer, working out the MPG of fire engines, closing fire stations, presiding over the oppression of the innocent, wasting money on lawyers and QCs in the hope of winning determinations that are non-starters and hob knobbing with members of the fire authority over a civilised glass of wine.  How difficult can that be?

Oooo you are funny Colin  ;D  ;)

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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2013, 11:30:56 AM »
Which brigade will be buy first, Retters, London or West Mids.  We might as well think big.

Lets go for London, Uncle Col, I'm sick of Bordesley Green. Yes London with its excellent theatres, restaurants, shops, 24 hour Talisker bars, will also be handy to pop over to 'Call Me Dave's' place for a chat, and of course Sir Kens retirement bash.
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Re: Government bid to privatise fire and rescue services revealed
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2013, 05:05:34 PM »
Give me Bordesley Green any time.
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