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PRIVATE INDUSTRY => HealthCare => Topic started by: Revol on October 09, 2021, 12:21:32 PM

Title: HTM 05-02 withdrawn Sept 2021?
Post by: Revol on October 09, 2021, 12:21:32 PM

Hi all,

The .Gov site shows HTM 05-02 as being withdrawn September 2021 - it directs users to the NHS site which has the 2015 version (the one that is stated as withdrawn on the .gov site.)

Am I missing something?

Title: Re: HTM 05-02 withdrawn Sept 2021?
Post by: AnthonyB on October 09, 2021, 08:01:04 PM

NHS England updated their HTM Page 31 August 2021 and HM Govt withdraw the guide on 21 September 2021. Perhaps the NHS website accidentally uploaded the old one again or they are saying that as far as they are concerned the 2015 one is still fine!

Title: Re: HTM 05-02 withdrawn Sept 2021?
Post by: Seetek on October 10, 2021, 12:26:47 PM

I suspect the HM Government expect the NHS to update their page but they haven't as yet. The guidance on external walls still refers to class 0 so may need changing. It's hard to keep track of changes in guidance as no two government departments seem to be on the same page so to speak.

Title: Re: HTM 05-02 withdrawn Sept 2021?
Post by: Colin Newman on October 11, 2021, 10:18:31 AM

It would appear that this confusion has been caused by a staggering example of incompetence!

From what I've been told, the intention was to move the HTM guidance documents from the .gov website, to the england.nhs.uk website.  Some plum must have spent ages putting a "Withdrawn" watermark on every document, when all that was needed was a redirect of the link activated when the document image was clicked, or just the banner that appears above the documents on the .gov website stating that the guidance has been relocated.

The HTM documents on the .gov website and the .nhs.uk website are identical with the exception of the "Withdrawn" watermark (yes I am sad enough to have done a "compare documents" check).

Whilst there are plans to update FIrecode in the future, as yet they are just plans.  To my knowledge there is no iminent update to  to the Firecode suite of guidance documents.

Worryingly, I've been made aware that this stupidity has already resulted in two design teams attempting to apply inappropriate design guidance to healthcare premises in the belief that Firecode is no longer valid.  Let's hope that these are the only two!

Title: Re: HTM 05-02 withdrawn Sept 2021?
Post by: Revol on October 11, 2021, 12:31:03 PM

Thanks Colin.

 Incompetence and government in the same sentence ... surely not!?