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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Fire Safety => Topic started by: AnthonyB on December 17, 2020, 08:13:21 PM
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PAS911 is no more from this year - but one question that's flying around is why and what replaces it?
Anyone know?
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Tony, no stone will be left unturned to find the answer for you. Though why you are bothered I dont know.
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Merely posting on behalf of others....wondering why it's gone with nothing obvious in it's place.
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I understand that there are proposals to produce a new standard with roughly the same scope as PAS 911 in the BS 8644 series:
https://standardsdevelopment.bsigroup.com/projects/2019-02962#/section
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Fish face. Not the same thing.
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Tony, it appears that there was no appetite to continue it when it cam up for its routine review. A review of the PAS was undertaken, which included consulting the relevant BSI expert committees, and after consideration the decision was taken not to renew PAS 911. Instead, the relevant fire Technical Committees have agreed to incorporate, where possible, the content of PAS 911:2007 into the relevant British Standards.
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Thanks for getting back to me!
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Tony, Did I not promise that no stone would be left unturned?
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Fish face. Not the same thing.
Not under the published scope for BS 8644, but the proposal that I saw was that BS 8644 be split into parts, with BS8644-2 having roughly the same scope as PAS 911. Not sure whether BSI has accepted the business case for this, though.
PAS 911 did need to go, because it appeared to contain a load of aspirational guidance that was the grand concept of how one entity (Kingfell - the sponsors of the PAS) thought things ought to work. That is one of the potential weaknesses of the PAS system (I'm not knocking PAS 79 by making that statement, by the way). I know of no-one who seriously tried to comply with it, in its entirety.
If they do produce the standard, then one thing it ought to tackle is the issue of what a Fire Strategy for a building in steady-state is intended to cover (rather than fire strategies produced in support of design work). We get asked to quote for these fairly regularly, but on questioning it's usual that the enquirer knows that they want one (or sometimes has been told that they need one), but often aren't sure why, nor what it should contain or what they're going to use it for. When we try and establish precisely what they're after, they normally flounder and we never hear from them again.