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THE REGULATORY REFORM (FIRE SAFETY) ORDER 2005 => Press Releases => Topic started by: Revol on August 01, 2016, 04:53:19 PM

Title: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: Revol on August 01, 2016, 04:53:19 PM
Any one seen this? BAFSA newsletter quotes it as underway but I cant find it ...  https://consult.education.gov.uk/
Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: Tom Sutton on August 01, 2016, 08:26:48 PM
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/building-bulletin-100-design-for-fire-safety-in-schools surely they are not considering a consultation after two years?
Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: kurnal on August 02, 2016, 12:10:22 PM
It appears to be a very old news story Tom, the consultation link does not work. There appears to be a problem with proof reading- see the story on the Derbyshire sprinkler initiative, the last sentence of which is a caption for a photograph that does not exist.
Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: Revol on August 02, 2016, 01:25:38 PM
 See page 5 from BAFSA News letter July 2016 ...  http://www.bafsa.org.uk/pdfs/publications/1/00000151.pdf
Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: Tom Sutton on August 02, 2016, 04:31:58 PM
The article in the news letter states "Published in 2007, BB 100 advised on how to design school buildings so that they satisfy Building Regulations Part B, (Fire Safety).        

Published in 2007 is the old one the 2014 version is the new one, so as Kurnal has said old news.
Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: Fishy on August 03, 2016, 07:42:21 AM
I do happen to know that they are most definitely working on a revision as we speak, though a quick trawl through the internet reveals only this: http://thespaces.org.uk/bb100-fire-safety-design-schools/ .  The embedded link to the consultation document doesn't work, though.
Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: wee brian on August 03, 2016, 01:33:35 PM
https://consult.education.gov.uk/capital/6b8c2667

this is not old news, BB100 out for consultation now! closes 15 August.
Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: Revol on August 11, 2016, 01:18:14 PM
https://consult.education.gov.uk/capital/6b8c2667

this is not old news, BB100 out for consultation now! closes 15 August.

Well done on finding it! ... seems to have been squirreled away in the depths of cyber space.
Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: wee brian on August 11, 2016, 02:17:33 PM
From a quick scan its mostly a refresh of the old BB100.

four obvious changes;

they've downgraded the expectation on fire suppression for property protection. from "we expect it" to "its not a bad idea",

removed the requirement for a fire door at the end of a dead end corridor,

adopted ADB compartment sizes (much bigger than the old BB100),

and referenced BS 9999 as an acceptable alternative.

Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: Tom Sutton on August 11, 2016, 03:50:42 PM
Which version Brian the 2007 or the 2014?
Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: wee brian on August 11, 2016, 04:43:51 PM
which version of what?
Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: Tom Sutton on August 11, 2016, 07:48:24 PM
Building Bulletin 100 - Design for fire safety in schools. The 2007 version http://www.ribabookshops.com/item/building-bulletin-100-design-for-fire-safety-in-schools/63103/ or the 2014 version https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/building-bulletin-100-design-for-fire-safety-in-schools.

Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: wee brian on August 12, 2016, 09:58:48 AM
I'm talking about the consultation draft. the 2014 version and the 2007 version are the same document with different covers.

Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: Auntie LIn on August 17, 2016, 03:18:50 PM
As you say, it's been exceedingly well hidden - I only got to know about it the day the 'consultation' closed - 15 August.

Serious bad news for the fire door industry in that it's trying to say everyone must use BS EN 1634 tested doorsets.   At least Building Regs acknowledge the wealth of data and experience that BS476:  Part 22 has given everyone - and who knows - will Brexit see the back of 1634? (or at least the requirement to CE mark?)
Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: kurnal on August 21, 2016, 07:55:28 PM
"Sprinklers may not be a bad idea"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-37148332

The fire commander described it as a challenging fire- early to say of course but looks like it's the same old story of rapid fire spread in voids and a lack of compartmentation?
Title: Re: BB 100 Consultation 2016
Post by: colin todd on August 21, 2016, 10:03:14 PM
What, like are required under the building regulations in Scotland, Big Al.  No wonder it took so long for the Americans to be aware of the second world war, it takes years for messages to spread from Scotland to England.