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Offline Tom Sutton

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« on: May 23, 2008, 02:39:20 PM »
I receive this today,

"I am in the process of opening a retail unit, and part of the application process requires that I obtain a fire safety certificate."

Does it make you guys despair?
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Offline Galeon

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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 02:52:45 PM »
It could get a lot  worse , just imagine the retail unit is in a shopping centre with complex cause and effect , seem to remeber a thread under 1st and 2nd stage alarm .
Ground Hog Day seems to spring to mind
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 04:47:39 PM »
Makes me laugh.  Would love to overhear the conversation that will invetiably follow when someone updates them.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2008, 05:21:10 PM »
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I receive this today,

"I am in the process of opening a retail unit, and part of the application process requires that I obtain a fire safety certificate."

Does it make you guys despair?
Whats wrong with that tws?  Don't you want their money?
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Offline Tom Sutton

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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2008, 07:54:56 PM »
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Whats wrong with that tws?  Don't you want their money?
Doesn’t apply to me, my efforts are for free. However when I was treading the boards the lack of knowledge of those that should have known better was a common occurrence and it seems still happening.
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Offline Izan FSO

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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2008, 08:16:07 PM »
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I receive this today,

"I am in the process of opening a retail unit, and part of the application process requires that I obtain a fire safety certificate."

Does it make you guys despair?
If I had a pound for every phone call i have taken and still take with that same question i would be earning as much as a fire safety consultant (only kidding chaps), however when i question them further about their requirements 99% of the time they are looking for a fire safety certificate to demonstrate that the fre extiguishers have been tested by a competent engineer.......and yes it does make you despair.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2008, 12:04:17 PM »
I had an enquiry from a solicitor the other day who wanted to apply for a fire certificate for his client!

If I was the client, I would change solicitor.
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Offline jokar

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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2008, 12:40:56 PM »
Just goes to show that the Government failed in their attempts to publicise the RR(FS)O.  However, that does not alleviate the failure of companies and individuals to keep up to date with legislation.
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Offline Steven N

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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2008, 03:03:15 PM »
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I receive this today,

"I am in the process of opening a retail unit, and part of the application process requires that I obtain a fire safety certificate."

Does it make you guys despair?
Very- we still let get loads like that including fromA/I's ! I have a large bruise on my head from hitting it against a brick wall !
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2008, 03:47:18 PM »
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Just goes to show that the Government failed in their attempts to publicise the RR(FS)O.  However, that does not alleviate the failure of companies and individuals to keep up to date with legislation.
Absolutely right, but I can't see how small companies (and I include myself in this as a small business owner) can possibly keep up with every piece of fire/health and safety notice/code of paractise/guidance/legistlation/european guidance etc etc that ever comes out.

We are supposed to know the latest about everything from eye tests to correct chair positioning, to asbestos/legionella awareness - as well as the latest fire safety guidance.

We would have to employ a safety consultant full time to keep up.... and even then there are so many contradictions you can never satisfy every bit of building regs, ACOPS, RRFSO EN Standards etc.

As far as i can see the RRFSO is still one of the best kept secrets around....!!
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2008, 04:57:09 PM »
OPSI is a good site to keep updated with legislation changes.  However, it takes time and small busineses may not have that commodity.
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2008, 01:23:17 PM »
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Just goes to show that the Government failed in their attempts to publicise the RR(FS)O.  However, that does not alleviate the failure of companies and individuals to keep up to date with legislation.
Absolutely right, but I can't see how small companies (and I include myself in this as a small business owner) can possibly keep up with every piece of fire/health and safety notice/code of paractise/guidance/legistlation/european guidance etc etc that ever comes out.

We are supposed to know the latest about everything from eye tests to correct chair positioning, to asbestos/legionella awareness - as well as the latest fire safety guidance.

We would have to employ a safety consultant full time to keep up.... and even then there are so many contradictions you can never satisfy every bit of building regs, ACOPS, RRFSO EN Standards etc.

As far as i can see the RRFSO is still one of the best kept secrets around....!!
While I take your point, there are alternatives to employing someone.  There are email/literature based systems that small employers can use, or consultants who offer a part time service.

At the end of the day the duty is the empoyers and if they don't like it or can't deal with it, then they might want to consider if they are fit to run a business and enjoy the benefits of being self employed.
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2008, 01:40:35 PM »
I agree with David. It must be a nightmare for small companies to keep abreast of the changes. To say if a company doesn't like it or can't deal with then they should shut up shop seems a bit strong. I was taliing the owner of a dry cleaners the other day about the RRO, and he said, "well at the moment I haven't even looked at it. I've the emission regs to worry about first." Kinds of puts it into perspective really doesn't it? We must be one of the most over legislated countries on earth. I'm not making excuses for them but it must be ludicrously hard and expensive to keep up to date.

No wonder we are a tertiary/quarternary industry based society in the UK nowadays.
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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2008, 01:59:37 PM »
Sorry if I am being "a bit strong" but that's how it works in the UK.  If you want to set up and run your own company, there are laws you need to comply with.  If you find it too difficult to comply with the laws, don't set up/run your own company.

Complying with the RR(FS)O is hardly asking much of an employer, if anything it allows them to comply with the law in the way they want.  The introduction of it make it easier for employers to comply with legislation and reduced the amount of laws they had to comply with. If empoyers missed the introduction, they need not panic, providing they had complied with the previous legislation, then most will be compliant.

The main reason that we are service driven is the lower cost of manufacture outside the UK, not fire safety legislation.
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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2008, 02:13:19 PM »
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I was taliing the owner of a dry cleaners the other day about the RRO, and he said, "well at the moment I haven't even looked at it. I've the emission regs to worry about first." Kinds of puts it into perspective really doesn't it?
So where will the fire he has never planned for or taken any precautions for or trained his staff for come on the perspective scale?
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