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Offline Tom Sutton

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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2010, 07:51:45 PM »
For those interested in this incident the Fatal Accident Inquiry is underway in Motherwell.

Check out http://news.scotsman.com/roseparknursinghomefire/Inquiry-into-nursing-home-fire.5575580.jp if it’s not ended then it must be close.

Any further prosecutions seem unlikely check out http://news.scotsman.com/roseparknursinghomefire/Rosepark-Nursing-Home-fire-Blaze.5297724.jp
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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2010, 12:18:17 PM »
The Rosepark inquiry is still on going and could be for a few months.

A number of Press reports have been published which seem to indicate considerable failings on a number of partys. Do a google on Rosepark as the Scotish Media seems to be putting out almost daily reports.

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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2010, 09:37:01 AM »
Please see the Article below, a wake up call for many Risk assessors about what to include in an FRA.

Rosepark care home blaze: 'Serious shortcomings' were not included in report, inspector tells FAI
Feb 17 2010

A FIRE risk assessment at a nursing home where 14 residents died in a blaze uncovered "serious shortcomings" that were not recorded, an inspector admitted today.

Giving evidence to an inquiry into the fire at the Rosepark Nursing home in Lanarkshire six years ago, John Reid said his report a year before the tragedy had not included key findings that had caused him "concern".

As well as the 14 deaths, four residents were injured when the blaze broke out in a cupboard at the home on January 31, 2004.

A Fatal Accident Inquiry is trying to establish the full circumstances of the tragedy, prevent a similar fire from happening again and establish if any precautions could have been taken to avoid the deaths.

Mr Reid was employed on a retainer basis by the home's owners, Thomas, Alan and Anne Balmer, to carry out Health and Safety inspections and offer recommendations for improvements in January 2003.

But while the report given to the Balmers warned that the controls in place were not adequate to reduce the risk of a fire, he omitted information that could have helped prevent, or lessen, the impact of the fire.

These included failing to include the residents of the home in a list of people who might be at risk in the event of a fire, failing to check and record the documents relating to staff fire training and fire procedures, and failing to record that fire doors to residents' bedrooms had been propped open and the safety catches disabled.

He said he had noted and raised the issue with the Balmers but was told the residents became distressed when the doors were left shut, adding that he had been "concerned but understood why they had done it".

Mr Reid told the inquiry, at the Gospel Literature Outreach Centre in Motherwell, that he had not been aware of the home's policy of investigating a fire alarm sounding before calling emergency services.

He said, had he known, he would have told the Balmers it was "not a suitable procedure" and that staff should have been told to dial 999 immediately.

He also admitted that he was "unaware" of, and hadn't checked, two fuse boxes, although he had checked that the main fuse box for the care home was securely locked.

The problems came to light during an inspection of the home in which fire exits and extinguishers, staff training and other fire risks were checked.

Mr Reid told the inquiry that while he hadn't documented his concerns, all of the issues had been discussed verbally with the Balmers during the inspection.

He told the inquiry: "There were serious shortcomings, that should have been documented, left out.

"I won't say that because they weren't recorded they hadn't been considered, but they should have been in there.

Under questioning from Crown Counsel James Wolffe QC, he admitted that failing to inspect documents detailing what training and information staff had been given in the event of a fire meant he could not have "a sufficient base for answering in the affirmative questions about sufficient and adequate safety training, undermining the basis of his later advice".

He also agreed with the Advocate Depute that "any risk assessment which did not address risks to the residents could not be a sufficient and suitable risk assessment".

Mr Reid also told the inquiry he was unaware of two key documents produced by the Home Office and the Scottish Health Service that specifically addressed fire risks in residential care homes.

The inquiry, before Sheriff Principal Brian Lockhart, is expected to last between four and six months.

An attempt to prosecute the home's owners, Thomas, Anne and Alan Balmer, over alleged safety breaches collapsed in 2007 after a judge dismissed the charges.

A fresh indictment was served in 2008, but those charges were also dropped.


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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2010, 10:14:13 AM »
So we now have two conflicting report on the reasons why the FRA may not have been adequate?

The 2007 decision implied that false information may have been given by one of the partners to the assessor.

The article above seems to suggest that the assessor was aware of the relevant information but did not record it in writing or make formal recommendations relating to it.

Which is correct?  It does still beggar belief IMHO that there can be a tragedy of this magnitude with what seem now to be obvious failures in the management of the premises and yet no-one can be held accountable...
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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2010, 11:38:39 AM »
Please see the Article below, a wake up call for many Risk assessors about what to include in an FRA.

Rosepark care home blaze: 'Serious shortcomings' were not included in report, inspector tells FAI
Feb 17 2010

A FIRE risk assessment at a nursing home where 14 residents died in a blaze uncovered "serious shortcomings" that were not recorded, an inspector admitted today.

Giving evidence to an inquiry into the fire at the Rosepark Nursing home in Lanarkshire six years ago, John Reid said his report a year before the tragedy had not included key findings that had caused him "concern".

As well as the 14 deaths, four residents were injured when the blaze broke out in a cupboard at the home on January 31, 2004.

A Fatal Accident Inquiry is trying to establish the full circumstances of the tragedy, prevent a similar fire from happening again and establish if any precautions could have been taken to avoid the deaths.

Mr Reid was employed on a retainer basis by the home's owners, Thomas, Alan and Anne Balmer, to carry out Health and Safety inspections and offer recommendations for improvements in January 2003.

But while the report given to the Balmers warned that the controls in place were not adequate to reduce the risk of a fire, he omitted information that could have helped prevent, or lessen, the impact of the fire.

These included failing to include the residents of the home in a list of people who might be at risk in the event of a fire, failing to check and record the documents relating to staff fire training and fire procedures, and failing to record that fire doors to residents' bedrooms had been propped open and the safety catches disabled.

He said he had noted and raised the issue with the Balmers but was told the residents became distressed when the doors were left shut, adding that he had been "concerned but understood why they had done it".

Mr Reid told the inquiry, at the Gospel Literature Outreach Centre in Motherwell, that he had not been aware of the home's policy of investigating a fire alarm sounding before calling emergency services.

He said, had he known, he would have told the Balmers it was "not a suitable procedure" and that staff should have been told to dial 999 immediately.

He also admitted that he was "unaware" of, and hadn't checked, two fuse boxes, although he had checked that the main fuse box for the care home was securely locked.

The problems came to light during an inspection of the home in which fire exits and extinguishers, staff training and other fire risks were checked.

Mr Reid told the inquiry that while he hadn't documented his concerns, all of the issues had been discussed verbally with the Balmers during the inspection.

He told the inquiry: "There were serious shortcomings, that should have been documented, left out.

"I won't say that because they weren't recorded they hadn't been considered, but they should have been in there.

Under questioning from Crown Counsel James Wolffe QC, he admitted that failing to inspect documents detailing what training and information staff had been given in the event of a fire meant he could not have "a sufficient base for answering in the affirmative questions about sufficient and adequate safety training, undermining the basis of his later advice".

He also agreed with the Advocate Depute that "any risk assessment which did not address risks to the residents could not be a sufficient and suitable risk assessment".

Mr Reid also told the inquiry he was unaware of two key documents produced by the Home Office and the Scottish Health Service that specifically addressed fire risks in residential care homes.

The inquiry, before Sheriff Principal Brian Lockhart, is expected to last between four and six months.

An attempt to prosecute the home's owners, Thomas, Anne and Alan Balmer, over alleged safety breaches collapsed in 2007 after a judge dismissed the charges.

A fresh indictment was served in 2008, but those charges were also dropped.


Where can we follow the progress of the enquiry Jokar?
I am interested to know who their advisor, John Reid, is and what his credentials are.
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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2010, 11:49:47 AM »
The article is from The Scotsman.
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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2010, 12:08:23 PM »
If you want to follow the enquiry, which is expected to last a few more months, set up a news alert in Google. On the google site select News  in the search Box enter  "Rosepark" this will bring up a list of all news stories containing a reference to Rosepark. At the bottom of this page will be a link to creating an email notice of all articles relating to Rosepark.  This method can be used for news feeds on any subject.

This will provide almost daily reports (mainly the Scotish media) as mentioned above many of the points being covered in the inquiry are very relevant to the Fire Safety Community.

Staff training and procedures, fire resiting doors, compartments, are all ares wher comments have been made.
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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2010, 05:04:21 PM »
Jokar
I dont think we should get too concerned by the range of questions asked, this is an enquiry, lots of questions are bound to be asked and its the recommendations that are made at the end that will ultimately count.   
I cannot ever see the relevance of naming residents in the fre risk assessment or the emergency plan, its their needs that are important. I agree it is important to confirm that the Care home has sufficient contingency plans in place to ensure names and summary care plans, medication lists etc are available in case of a mass evacuation to another location or hospital

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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2010, 05:19:46 PM »
The line of questioning only shows the level of understanding of fire safety by the court jesters. Each side, especially the defence, will be throughing s@*t all over the place hoping some will stick in the right place.
The point made was made:-
"He also admitted that he was "unaware" of, and hadn't checked, two fuse boxes, although he had checked that the main fuse box for the care home was securely locked." #
What would he check the fuse box for? You can't really pull fuses in a nursing home can you?
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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2010, 09:11:40 PM »
Well no you cant but that is isnt the point being made nearlythere. A good assessor should be looking at electrics very closely. Electrics are our biggest cause of fires in non domestic dwellings. As for pulling out fuses im not sure why an assessor would do that as it will tell you very little. A good look at plug sockets cables and any signs of breakages or blackening is what you look for. All this and the owners still havent been brought to book. Im glad Scotland has got its priorities right.

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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2010, 09:57:47 PM »

Surely the assessment was carried out under the FP Workplace Regulations.  A regulation introduced to primarily safeguard employees and run parallel with existing regulations including the Care Standards Act.

The general view at the time was that as all occupants were already protected by existing fire regulations. The  Government being forced to introduce the FP Workplace Regulations would be given breathing space before they needed to address revising standards for all.  Why therefore, the comments on fire safety standards for the residents.  These were already controlled by the authority enforcing the Care Standards Act.  Why were deficiencies not highlighted and dealt with under these regulations.   

I do feel that a nursing home risk assessment should only be carried out by a person with suitable background and experience in fire safety and risk assessments.  However some of the comments at the enquiry appear to be unhelpful and way off base.  Concerns of the assessor relating to the residents should have been raised with the proprietor under separate cover perhaps with a copy to the enforcing authority.  There comes a time when we have to make decisions that cannot be ignored.  I have been in a similar position fortunately however not on a regular basis and yes the clients concerned did not ask me back a second time.

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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2010, 11:28:40 PM »
Yes of course Steve. Pre the current Fire SafetyLegislation.  Thats a cracking good point!

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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2010, 06:55:16 AM »
Well no you cant but that is isnt the point being made nearlythere. A good assessor should be looking at electrics very closely. Electrics are our biggest cause of fires in non domestic dwellings. As for pulling out fuses im not sure why an assessor would do that as it will tell you very little. A good look at plug sockets cables and any signs of breakages or blackening is what you look for. All this and the owners still havent been brought to book. Im glad Scotland has got its priorities right.
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Re: Rosepark Nursing Home Fire
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2010, 07:51:43 AM »
I think the relevance of not checking the fuse boxes may be more to do with where they were rather than their physical condition.

Allegedly there was bedding stored in the same cupboard which may (should) have warranted comment at the time.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/fire-safety-rules-ignored-at-home-1.1008678