Author Topic: seperation between public house ground floor/managers flat first floor  (Read 8832 times)

Offline bevfs

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What seperation in minutes would you expect between public house ground floor only,and managers flat first floor(internal staicase non protected and an external staicase .Premises fitted with AFD
(less than 300 persons on premises at any one time)

Midland Retty

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Hi Bevfs

Dependent on the coverage of AFD and whether AFD is linked to alarm sounders inside the living accomodation, thirty minutes fire separation is normally adequate.


Offline CWEENG

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Something I put together for a client / put together from various sources , may be of help?

The requirements for Fire detection in Public Houses with Sleeping Accommodation / Flats, above or Adjacent.
Questions / Points to Consider


1- Does the pub need a fire alarm in its own right separate from the requirements of the living accommodation.
2- Would a Fire in the pub pose any risk to the occupants of the flat or living accommodation.
3- Does the flat require detection in it’s own right to warn of fires in the flat itself separate from the issues within the pub.

The Pub on it’s own

As a general rule the pub will need an electronic  fire alarm and detection system in its own right (Part 1 type system) unless ,
1)   it is possible to see the whole of the licensed area and rooms off from the bar,
2)   there is no other mitigating circumstances due to usage or type of clientele ,
3)   there is suitable training and procedures in place taking into consideration the absence of an electronic fire detection system.
4)   A suitable fire risk assessment has been carried out to support the above

Only the very smallest of pubs fall into a category of, not requiring an electrical fire detection and alarm system.
If the pub needs an alarm system then sound levels and entertainment etc will probably dictate a “part 1” system.
The above type of pub is virtually un heard off and a Part 1 system should be considered.

The Pub with adjoining accommodation

Wear a pub has adjoining accommodation such as a flat above or to the side other important issues need to be addressed.
If the pub has
•   A one hour fire resisting ceilings or lining between the pub and the accommodation
•   and the accommodation has a completely separate and unconnected access point / stairway
It is possible that there may not need to be any warning of a fire in the pub to sound in the flat. Although this scenario is virtually unheard off and would be subject to a fire risk assessment.
 
If there is not
•   a one hour fire resisting barrier between the Pub and the living accommodation, and
•   the accommodation does not have it’s own escape route separate from the pub,
There is a requirement for a means of raising an alarm in the accommodation area in the event of a fire in the pub.

If the pub due to it’s structure, use and fire risk assessment, needs a “Part 1” alarm then ,
•   there will need to be sounders in the accommodation environment that is able to alert in all areas of the accommodation in the event of a fire in the pub
•   at least heat detection in bars and kitchens of the pub, 
•   a smoke detector  in stairs or corridors leading to a flat
•   detection covering escape routes from the flat to places of safety

The Flat in its’ own right

The flat will need at least LD3 (part 6) in its own right in addition to the sounders for the pub with a minimum of
•   Hallway detection
•   Kitchen if not separated by two doors from the hallway
Also living rooms bedrooms dependant on layout and a fire risk assessment

It may be easier to provide detection in the flat linked to the part 1 system in the pub. (this being a commercial decision).
 
 Finally if it is a tiny pub and after a fire risk assessment, it is found that the licensed parts don't need an electrical fire alarm system then a part 6 system will do with detectors in the bars interlinked to those upstairs.