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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Service Training OR Recruitment => Topic started by: scott on April 13, 2006, 07:52:52 AM

Title: National Occupational standards - requirement to drive.
Post by: scott on April 13, 2006, 07:52:52 AM

Hi
If someonehas never had a driving license, once we move from rank to role I have been told they will not get competent pay, as driving is in their rolemap.

Is this correct.

Regards

Scott

Title: National Occupational standards - requirement to drive.
Post by: rips on April 13, 2006, 09:13:21 PM

No, it does not affect someone who is not a driver.

Unit 9 covers driving, so if you are not a driver you cannot be expected to maintain your standards against Unit 9. Once you become a driver you wil be expected to maintain your standards.

I hope this answers the question

Title: National Occupational standards - requirement to drive.
Post by: dave bev on April 15, 2006, 10:38:12 AM

quote - I hope this answers the question

no unfortunately, it doesnt answer it correctly!

dave bev

Title: National Occupational standards - requirement to drive.
Post by: Tom Sutton on April 15, 2006, 04:18:17 PM

Dave Bev do not keep us in suspense :o What your pearls of wisdom.

Title: National Occupational standards - requirement to drive.
Post by: dave bev on April 16, 2006, 04:07:06 PM

not pearls of wisdom tom i can assure you!
rips - your answer was nearly there you just needed to be aware of the grey book link!

There is one specific example identified with the Sixth Edition of the Scheme of Conditions of Service Section 3 paragraph 7 where a F&RS may not require an employee to carry out a particular activity or in this case a full unit of their role map, yet the employee is still deemed to be competent and therefore attract the competent rate of pay applicable to the role.

quote -     ' As with all other units in a role map, a fire and rescue authority can require an employee to carry out driving duties. Where the fire and rescue authority does not require an employee to drive or, for genuine reasons, the employee is unable to drive he or she shall be regarded as competent in the role subject to having demonstrated competence in all other applicable functions in the role map.'


it may be that some fire authorities dont require 'other' parts of specific rolemaps (NOS's) to be undertaken, where the employer makes that decision the employee would not be deemed 'not competent'

i didnt have time to resource the full answer - there was not intent to keep you awake at night because of your inability to sleep due to my inability to provide the correct answer at the appropriate moment

dave bev

Title: National Occupational standards - requirement to drive.
Post by: Tom Sutton on April 16, 2006, 05:51:35 PM

Thanks Dave its just I retired before IPDS and although I have a basic understanding its still a mystery to me. I need the info to keep my website up to date.
As a point of information in my brigade to get qualified fireman pay you had to be a driver or a qualified ET operator.

Title: National Occupational standards - requirement to drive.
Post by: rips on April 16, 2006, 09:30:51 PM

Thanks Dave. I just never went in to great detail.