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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Fire Safety => Topic started by: Guest on March 27, 2004, 11:02:31 PM

Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on March 27, 2004, 11:02:31 PM
Is it widely known that LFB have set themselves up as independent fire consultants?
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on March 27, 2004, 11:10:54 PM
It is now
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: colin todd on March 28, 2004, 03:18:37 AM
I hope that their PI insurance is in order. Mind you, I would not like to be the insurer. Storm damage is risky enough.
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on March 28, 2004, 01:30:50 PM
What are the views regarding a Fire Brigade setting themselves up this way?
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on March 29, 2004, 12:38:22 PM
Are you sure?  They have a statutory duty to provide free fire safety advice, so it'll be remarkable if they manage to convince people to pay for it!
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: colin todd on March 29, 2004, 05:55:21 PM
1 1 (f) does not say WHEN the avice has to be given!
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on March 30, 2004, 10:27:47 AM
Most definately they have set themselves up as consultants!
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on March 30, 2004, 11:13:08 AM
Is it not just a play on words. Advisor/Consultant and whose to say they might not be calling themselves consulatnts and foregoing the charge for any services. Further investigation required methinks.
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: wee brian on March 30, 2004, 02:25:41 PM
Can we see some evidence? Is there anything on the web?
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: colin todd on March 30, 2004, 06:12:25 PM
If you are thinking of applying for a job with them wee b forget it. You dont even like chewing gum.
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on March 30, 2004, 09:36:27 PM
I dont think its a secret. Speak to their engineering department, they will tell you they set it up about a year ago.
They provide imdependent? advice regarding what complies with requirements of the Building Act - in their humble opinion of course. :shock:
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: colin todd on March 31, 2004, 06:35:27 PM
You sure you are not talking about LAPS schemes.
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on March 31, 2004, 10:11:42 PM
No Colin,
I know what a LAPS scheme is, deal with them regularly.
This is where LFB, at least their Fire Engineering section, offers third party advice/guidance on fire safety matters on a contractual basis.
Just wondering if others had heard of such an arrangement.
Presumably they wouldnt be able to offer independent advice on any work in their own area?
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on April 02, 2004, 02:23:42 PM
They charge, they advise and 3rdp chack, do what they will.. And isn't it the LEFPA now?
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on April 02, 2004, 09:38:30 PM
Aren't they 'third party CHECKS' ?, and its LFEPA.
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on April 02, 2004, 10:44:02 PM
LFB LFEPA whatever but seriously though, wont they possibly find themselves at conflict with other Fire Brigades at some point?
But then, does anyone care what London says and does anyone take them seriously anyway?
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on April 03, 2004, 10:07:38 PM
And not just the LFB guys charge for advice...the Fire Service College do too!
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on April 07, 2004, 09:34:49 AM
Yes people take them seriously. Of course they do, otherwise they wouldn't be there doing it. They tend to know what they're talking about otherwise they wouldn't be working!
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: wee brian on April 07, 2004, 10:04:51 AM
Now I've just got to jump in there. Being employed to do something does not guarantee that you know what your'e talking about.

There are millions of examples of this. A good many in the fire safety profession. Being employed by a fire authority has no positive or negative effect on this rule.

Trust me, I know what I am talking about! :?
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: Guest on April 07, 2004, 07:53:08 PM
Well Wee Brian, have to agree with you there. Just because you think (LFEPA that is), you know what you are doing does not mean you do know what you are talking about. And just because you have managed to get a few letters after your name doesnt prove a lot either in the real world. (And I have letters after my name).
Title: LFB Fire Consultants
Post by: colin todd on April 09, 2004, 12:05:29 PM
I agree with the last two posts, but I will have been in fire safety for 30 years next year, so I am wondering about collecting a whacking great pension and becoming a fireman. ( A sort of reverse osmosis.) I don't like heights though; do you think that would matter? When there were two very forward thinking ACOs looking after fire safety in LFEPA, they did revamp fire safety in the authority (for a while) and did put a number of officers through the South Bank course in fire engineering, so you cannot assume that there is no one competent in fire safety-- its just some of their guys do a good impersonation of someone who is not the full shilling in fire safety. If they want to make some money for Red Ken by flogging the odd service, what's the harm? If it keeps congestion charging down, I am all for it. I was given some letters after my name once too- I think they stood for Associate of the Royal Society of Engineers, but the thing is I cannot find any trace of such a society, although I am reliably informed there are plenty of members in our profession.[/u]