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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => General Interest => Topic started by: Guest on June 23, 2004, 09:22:59 PM
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Correct me if if wrong here,but i always thought that committing a civil offence was grounds for dismissal from the brigade for bringing it into disripute.
So how come the Kent fireman that was bought back from Portugal after "allegedly" being a football hooligan ring leader,wasnt sacked 2 years ago,when he faced a similar charge.Not saying that the bloke is squeeky clean,but whats happened to the other that we're deported with him??
Once again the press have siezed upon "FIREFIGHTER".If he'd been a binman or street cleaner,then it would have been forgotten by now.Not a very good advert for the brigade though if he is guilty of the charges
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Shaggy, you are obviously privvy to information which we generally aren't. However there is nothing wrong in being through a civil court - I guess you meant criminal?
You don't say that Mr Mann was convicted just accused. I hope that you aren't suggesting that an accusation leads to a dismissal, god help us if you are.
If he was so convicted then I am sure that will appear in the press, that it hasn't suggests he wasn't and is therefore innocent. If he is actaully innocent of the offence, for which he has been convicted in Portugal, we can look forward to his appeal.
I would imagine that he is now on suspension. He has been convicted of an offence, but he is intending to appeal so any further action should await the result of that appeal.
I don't like to see kangaroo courts anywhere, certainly not here and especially where the judge chooses to hide behind anonymity and fails to back up the argument with any facts.
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I think that the firefighter in question should be discharged from the brigade if found guilty but of course treated fairly and able to keep his job if not found guilty
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Brief quetsion, could anyone tell me the conditions of service for anyone wishing to join the Fire Service at an Operative level?
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The 'Fire Service Discilpline Regs' have now long gone, and the Fire Service now has a Discipline code in line with Industry.Below is an extract of my local Fire Services Discipline code.As you can read,each case will be looked at on its merits, and dismissal etc are not automatic (and nor should they be).
2.15 Criminal Offences
2.15.1 If an employee is charged with, or convicted of a criminal offence not related to work, this is not in itself a reason for disciplinary action. Any employee who is charged with a criminal offence should report this to their Function Head. The Function Head (or a manager nominated by the Function Head to act on their behalf) should establish the facts of the case and after consultation with the Employee Relations Section, consider whether the matter is serious enough to warrant starting the disciplinary procedure. The main consideration should be whether the offence, or alleged offence, is one that makes the employee unsuitable for the type of work they are employed to undertake. Similarly, an employee should not be dismissed solely because they are absent from work as a result of being remanded in custody.
2.15.2 In the event that there are criminal proceedings attached to a discipline case, the Service may proceed or continue to progress a case independently of such proceedings.
2.15.3 In the event that the Service has reasonable belief that an employee’s conduct might constitute a criminal offence, the matter will be reported to the police.
EXAMPLES OF CONDUCT THAT MAY LEAD TO DISCIPLINARY ACTION
Acts which constitute gross misconduct are those resulting in a serious breach of contractual terms. All employees should be aware that acts of gross misconduct may result in their dismissal or summary dismissal (dismissal without notice). Other acts of misconduct which are less serious may still result in disciplinary action.
Special rules will apply to employees during the probationary period. Of particular importance is that the service reserves the right to waive some or all of the official warnings.
Examples are given below. Employees are reminded that this is not an exhaustive list and that any act of misconduct may warrant dismissal or in very serious cases summary dismissal.
Action that may result in disciplinary action:
- bad behaviour, such as fighting or drunkenness
- unsatisfactory work performance
- harassment, victimisation or bullying or other conduct contrary to the services policy on Fairness, Dignity and Diversity and the Service’s values
- misuse of company facilities (for example e-mail and internet)
- poor timekeeping (e.g. consistent or serious lateness)
- unauthorised absences
- repeated or serious failure to follow legitimate instructions
- ignoring safety rules
Examples of gross misconduct include:
- theft or fraud
- physical violence or bullying
- deliberate and serious damage to property
- serious misuse of the Authority’s property or name
- deliberately accessing pornographic, offensive or obscene material
- unlawful discrimination or harassment
- bringing the Authority into serious disrepute
- serious incapacity at work brought on by misuse of alcohol or illegal drugs
- causing loss, damage or injury through serious negligence
- a serious breach of health and safety rules
- a serious breach of confidentiality and fidelity
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Pip you forgot speaking your mind and having an opinion......
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no, they will always be made to fit a breach of
'Fairness, Dignity and Diversity and the Service’s values'
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Not to mention "bringing the Authority into serious disrepute" and "a serious breach of confidentiality and fidelity". Also note that these are only examples and it does not claim to be an exhaustive list, i.e. they can make them up as they go along.
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You just have to make sure you are bomb proof,you need to protect your identity particularly on this site,there are spies about.......
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Is being bomb proof all about keeping your counsel if you disagree with Policy, or is it like sniping - being open with your opinion but withholding your identity so they cant catch you? .
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I think you have to be pretty carefull on this forum........spies in the camp etc........
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Lucky, have you finally realised who I am?
Groovy Baby oh yerrrrr!
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Careful Dr Wiz
Lucky may be a double agent, read the signs- and remember his history. He left me to rot in the technical forum when he did his bunk. I have also caught him trying to befriend people on the International Rescue forum. In case he is right though I suggest we start putting private and confidential at the start of our postings - that should fix it.
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Wise words once again, K.
I find myself strangely drawn to all of L's musings, but often forgetting what a dangerous man he has revealed himself to be in many past situations.
Obviously you have your recent near-death experiences to keep you on your toes.
Regards
W
p.s. Where do I find the International Rescue forum you mention? I need to make contact with Lady Penelope to ask for a date.
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Private and confidential
Dr Wiz
Sorry mate, dont get your hopes up, I think Lady P may already be having an affair with her chauffeur. Last time I saw them he was fiddling with the door lock (no central locking on FAB1) and I heard her ask "do you want a screwdriver" and he said "may as well because I cant get this door open!"
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Top Secret & Confidential
Agent K,
I'd like to be able to say 'the old ones are the best' but in this case I would be clearly wrong.
Dr Wiz.
p.s. - Your photon phaser decombobulator unit has now been repaired. Please be more careful with it in the future.
p.p.s. - Oh God - I am so bored. No good technical questions for days.
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Hi Wiz Hi Kurnal,Ive been away but now Im back,spent some time on Tracey Island,Brains sends his regards,had a Fab ride in Thunderbird 2 it was always my favourite.Ive been looking at some of the Technical stuff and I have to disagree,Buildings still exist I saw lots when I was in Thunderbird 2,Lady Penelope said Hi.........I wont tell you what Parker said,he aint no gent,went on a binge with him,boy can he sup whisky...............he asked me would I like to go on a bender but I said I aint that way inclined.
If my comments offend in any way please dont take it to heart,Laughter is the best medicine,my views in no way reflect those of my keepers or guardians or Employers,they all have views of there own.I may disagree with them sometimes but I would never do it through this forum.