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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Community Fire Safety => Topic started by: Firewolf on September 10, 2004, 12:33:55 PM
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Hi folks
I'm training some young people (late teens to early twenties) about the importance of fire safety. I want to show them hard hitting and graphic footage of REAL fire service videos which show the consequences of interfeering with fire safety equipmet or not bothering to react to fire alarms etc.
Whilst I don't want to frighten theses people or make them physically sick I have found in the past having worked with arsonists and other kids that real hard hitting footage does the trick - it makes ure that the message about fire safety and how important it is hits home.
Has anyone got any such footage ? The footage can include pictures of the deceased but nothing to gory !
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I joined in the late eighties, but remember being told of an incident that occurred to our training department in the late seventies early eighties.
Our guys used to do fire safety training and part of it was an early video (from America) of a fire in a South American office block, where unfortunately there was loss of life, due to the smoke/fire and persons jumping from great heights with obvious results. While persons were always told not lean back in their chair at the start, once the lights went off for the video, some people did.
One day a guy was leaning back on two legs, when a graphic uncut scene appeared on the TV screen. He promptly passed out; cut his head open and ended up in hospital for the night with concussion. The instructors of the day, told me they used to wait with some glee, for the faint gasp of disgust from their audience at this particular piece of the film. (Because most Ff’s do have a little bit of a warped sense of humour!)
After this incident the training department had to review its use and it was withdrawn. Can you imagine our lawsuit society, with our “have you been injured at work culture”?
I have found a good over power point presentation and stark facts are enough to get the message over to any group. I have never used graphic images, the spoken word, and even a few verbal examples of house/work fires and their outcomes, good and bad. If you want a video, we use a fire extinguisher training video lasting around 20-minute’s. After all, that’s the only fire equipment, the average person will be using. I attempt to make them smile via a few little funnies, if it is all dome and glom, they’ll start to switch off.
Which ever you decide to use good luck.
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Yes I remember being shown that film - infact its where I got my knickname "headache" from - not from fainting i hasten to add but due what seems in hindsight a distasteful comment made about one unfortunate person who'd jumped off the roof onto the pavement. I mentioned something about them having a headache in the morning jovially *slaps wrists*
Thats correct too much doom and gloom they will switch off and ordinarily my training apporach is the same as yours however these are unruly people I'm training not standard members of staff!!
It does need the shock treatment unfortunately.It worked for me before but unfortunately I no longer had the videos available to me (the videos were originally provided by the local fire authorty whom I was contracted to at that partiicular time)
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Yep that's the section he fell at; sorry though I cannot help on the video front. Don’t you know anyone still on the job whom could loan you a copy?
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I use a video called "front room fire 2" available form the BRE website: www.brebookshop.co.uk, and the FPA DVD called "Managing Fire Safety at Work" website: www.thefpa.co.uk
Both are excellant training aids, they are short and to the point, which is important if you do not want your delegates to nod off!
Regards
Gary Howe
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While persons were always told not lean back in their chair at the start, once the lights went off for the video, some people did.
One day a guy was leaning back on two legs, when a graphic uncut scene appeared on the TV screen. He promptly passed out; cut his head open and ended up in hospital for the night with concussion.
"Contributory Negligence" is all I've got to say on that one. He'd actually have quite a hard job getting any money out of your for that, even if he did, he wouldn't get much.
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I joined in the late eighties, but remember being told of an incident that occurred to our training department in the late seventies early eighties.
Our guys used to do fire safety training and part of it was an early video (from America) of a fire in a South American office block, where unfortunately there was loss of life, due to the smoke/fire and persons jumping from great heights with obvious results. While persons were always told not lean back in their chair at the start, once the lights went off for the video, some people did.
It was also featured on the 70's UK Film 'Fire and Smoke' along with trapped people in Woolworths sticking arms out of barred windows, Glasgow Firemen being resusitated and the odd charred body.
I still have a copy of it converted to mpg on CD along with a Front Room Fire, Bradford & the olf FPA Fire Warden Building with the guy from London's Burning.
If it's graphic fire deaths the internet is full of still photos adn the odd film. Some of the Motor Racing footage available is good on how NOT to use a fire extinguisher
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The incident where the unfortunate chap goes for a swan dive was in Sau Paulo, Brazil. I cant remember the date but the picture stays with you for years.
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Indeed - a useful reminder (if one was needed) of why we all do our jobs.
Not the easiest decision to make, stay or jump.
Miraculously some people managed to balcony hop, pipe slide to safety - but nowhere nearenough were able to do this
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Thanks for all your help chaps!
So does anyone have a spare copy of a video they could send me at all?
:oops:
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Fire wolf
If you can get hold of a copy of an American video called "Plan to get out alive" use this one. I have been using this for nearly 6 - 7 years and I believe it is the best fire safety video out. When I first viewed it I was unsure as I was expecting an American "Backdraft" type video. Oh no I can rate this enough. Sadly "First Alert" and "McDonalds" who co produced this no longer publish it so you may need to do some hunting.
If you find a good copy let me know as mine is now looking tired.
Simon
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Please bear a thought for the poor people in the video! I was shown a picture of a dead toddler which was being shown to young offenders. It hit home that the charred body I was looking at was indeed someone's son and I would not want a picture of my son shown in this way (God forbid!!!)
Just a thought...
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Tim,
The people who use this site are generally fire fighters or fire safety people. It most probably a significant part of their motivation to save lives and I would assume that none of the people on here need to be reminded to "bear a thought" for the victims.
I am sure you posted with the best of intentions, but maybe if a loved one had perished in a fire, you actually might want your loss to do some good and help spread the message. I very much doubt the film makers would produce the videos without parental consent.
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I remember watching a video in training school, showing a council house with two young kids being brought out, then cpr being carried out in the back of a old maestro police car. Certainly made me realise that **** happens and it aint very nice. Reigns you in a bit when you are looking forward to getting on station and going to "real" fires.
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Hi,
The video Scott mentions is called 'When Children Play With Fire' - very gory and really pulls the heart strings - i only use it with older youths - and it is very effective.
I also have a copy of a Tuesday Special that was broadcast a few years ago - the programme looks at what motivates an arsonist - speak to a family who's young daughter has been severely scarred as a result of an arson. Some of the arsonists are really proud of the destruction their fire raising causes - so with this in mind it is important to think about how the audience would react- if anyone would like to borrow my copy pm me –
Lincolnshire’s Consequences video is also effective youths seem to respond well to the style of video.
Hope that help’s
Sarah
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The footage in question showing people jumping to thei deaths was from an office block in Sao Paulo in Brasil. The irony was that the fire was in fact out when these people jumped. The authorities tried to tell people on the roof not to jump by using loudhailers from helicopters and messages written on the ground!
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ive watched this debate from afar though with much interest.
im not sure the issue of which or even whether 'gory' videos has really been resolved. and if in fact a 'case plan' is produced prior to working with some youngsters and agreed/signed off or up to by those managers responsible for working with young people.
it seems to me that if there is any doubt as to what is suitable then that is reason enough not to show it. the bigger question though is what is happening in terms of managerial responsibility? are these individual cases being 'monitored' or 'supervised' by the managers of those responsible for the delivery.
we keep seeing f&rs's banging the drum about one initiative after the other then not accepting the responsibility of managing the process. its managements right to manage we keep being told, but the truth is that there is a responsibility to manage correctly that comes with that 'right' (if indeed it is a right or more correctly in my opinion a responsibility)
how many senior mangers review on a weekly basis (or even better, immediately after contact) some of the more 'difficult' cases? do any authority members have a specific reference/responsibility to monitor working with children (or other vulnerable people)
there is a time when the correct action is to pass the issue to those who are better equipped to deal with the case - but this decision can only often be made by someone remote to the issue or particular case.
we need to stop beating ourselves up if we are unable to resolve cases and be prepared to pass them on - that doesnt mean to say we couldnt play a part in any other process deemed suitable, it just means that simply we may not be the best people to deal with that particular case/issue.
i bit of honesty and the courage to say i cannot resolve this issue and the committment of managers to manage would go a long way.
videos are tools to use, not the answers to issues!
dave bev
ps it was agreed yesterday at the cfoa cfs task group meeting to review the current (now almost three years old) child safety protocol, this may come somewhere within the scope of the review?
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Well Dave Bev you managed to kill that debate, I bet you're real fun at parties!!
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Davey is the most fun commie I have ever met.
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actually you'll always find me in the kitchen at parties!
dave bev
mr todd, thats because perhaps you dont open your heart to all you meet!
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Well there is a place for you and Mrs Davey at our Xmas party.
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I would suggest Bradford city or possibly the Station Fire, however this last one may be a little graphic (and hard to get hold of).
Richard
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I would suggest Bradford city or possibly the Station Fire, however this last one may be a little graphic (and hard to get hold of).
Richard
what is the "station" fire?
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Station nightclub was an American fire disaster a few years ago in which over 100 people died in a small rural nightcvlub building. A band was live on stage and was being filmed by a local news reporter wen a firework on stage set the building on fire, the resulting fire was fully recorded. Its far too harrowing to use in a general training session in my opinion.
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Station nightclub was an American fire disaster a few years ago in which over 100 people died in a small rural nightcvlub building. A band was live on stage and was being filmed by a local news reporter wen a firework on stage set the building on fire, the resulting fire was fully recorded. Its far too harrowing to use in a general training session in my opinion.
If you can edit it a little it is an excellent training tool to show people behaviour and how quickly a fire can spread.
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Fanatstic film footage and there are pdf plans to go with it, you need to be really sure of your audience to use it but great learning points for teaching. You can google the Station Night Club Fire, it was in Rhode Island and get some piccies.
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I know the Station fire was tragic and should be talked about with cautioned reverence in regards to those poor souls who lost their lives.
And I know it's going back a bit (nearly as far back as this thread). But does anyone else find it strange that the news reporter that Butler was filming for was the co-owner of the club and was making a report about night club health and safety.
Very strange prosecutions and court cases too.
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Does anyone know where yoyu can get the PDF plans and written detailks of the facts etc for the station fire? Also i agree with the fact that it need to be edited (a lot) for any almost any audience. I would only show the whole thing to operational crews as they need to deal with this stuff regularly.
http://www.rbhealthandsafety.co.uk/fireextinguisher.html Fire extinguisher Servicing
http://www.rbhealthandsafety.co.uk/fr_assessment.html Fire Risk Assessment
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Try the Providence Journal (local newspaper)
Masses of links to official and unofficial stuff.
http://www.projo.com/extra/2003/stationfire/
Also two experiment / simulation vids with and without the sprinklers that should have been installed when "change of use" was originally granted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6rP2m28itU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEdAx2sC9Qg
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Station nightclub fire is on YouTube in full & both Realplayer & fire fox have free add on's to allow you to extract the file from the site (normally you can't download streaming footage)
Layout plans and fatality location plans for the fire from the investigation are on the Station nightclub Wikipedia entry
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Ok its slightly off the topic as it deals with RTAs but check the ROSPA web site they have some short videos on driving showing actual RTA footage.
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I now have the US NIST report for The Station Nightclub fire - if anyone would like a copy - please message me.
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To all of you that requested a copy - im having propblems emailing the document - it is quite a large file attachment and as such I keep getting delivery failure messages stating that either my server cant send it or the intended recipients server cant accept it (it wont say which)
Ill try other means of getting the reports to you, but in the meantime will try again. Please bear with me.
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Add me to the list as well please Retty
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Retty, and me please. Is it on the web?
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Sorry chaps my email account server can't handle the file attachment and so Im not able to send it to you by email
However Ive scoured the internet all weekend and found this link: (the file is absolutely massive (20.5MB ) and may take a while to upload onto your screen).
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/Vol_I_NCSTAR2.pdf
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Hello, did you have any joy with the fire safety videos? I'm currently writing a package aimed at high-end young offenders and I'm sourcing materials as I type!!
It's great to see so many people on here trying to get the message across!
Dave
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