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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Technical Advice => Topic started by: Benzerari on March 12, 2008, 04:43:29 PM
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Hi Guys;
We have got couple of students accomodation and all their rooms have heat detectors, because they used to smoke inside their rooms and caused false alarms when they were smoke detectors many years ago, would the new law of smoke free be an obligation to change them back to smoke detectors?
Thank you
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Well....
I wouldn't say it is an obligation as such, but definately worthwhile thinking about changing the heat sensors back to smoke because they are quicker at detecting fire . It might have the added benefit of alerting staff to illicit smoking in rooms too!
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Hi Guys;
We have got couple of students accomodation and all their rooms have heat detectors, because they used to smoke inside their rooms and caused false alarms when they were smoke detectors many years ago, would the new law of smoke free be an obligation to change them back to smoke detectors?
Thank you
Is it smoke free in their accomodation rooms though??
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I didn't think the smoking ban applied to private residences e.g. your own home or any accommodation used as a home e.g. student accommodation or hotel rooms. Most places will operate their own no smoking policy but many hotels provide a small number of smoking rooms still.
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p.s. why not look at carbon monoxide detection which is recommended in BS5839: Part 1 as suitable for use in place of heat detection?
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I don't think the general smoking ban, covers this try class A and B ,it always seems to be hand rolled cigarettes involved with a pungent smell in a lot of the call outs to site that we have had, over the years !
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Hi Guys;
We have got couple of students accomodation and all their rooms have heat detectors, because they used to smoke inside their rooms and caused false alarms when they were smoke detectors many years ago, would the new law of smoke free be an obligation to change them back to smoke detectors?
Thank you
Is it smoke free in their accomodation rooms though??
Yes there are 'No Smoking' signs every where on site, on the students doors, corridors, even on the head of heat detectors too, in my undestanding the heat detectors have to be replaced by smoke detectors because they are more reliable are they ?
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Smoke detectors repond to fire quicker. Heat detectors are less prone to false alarms.
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Smoke detectors repond to fire quicker. Heat detectors are less prone to false alarms.
...and are not considered a life saving device.
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Smoke detectors repond to fire quicker. Heat detectors are less prone to false alarms.
...and are not considered a life saving device.
Yes they are. They are permitted on L2/3 systems in bedrooms (leading onto escape routes) of Hotels
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Its not as simple as that. Heat detectors can and do save lives.
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Smoke detectors repond to fire quicker. Heat detectors are less prone to false alarms.
...and are not considered a life saving device.
Yes they are. They are permitted on L2/3 systems in bedrooms (leading onto escape routes) of Hotels
Yes but ithis is in respect of protecting the barrier between the room and the corridor (ie - the door).It is not for the protection of the occupant of the room.L2 states that heats will not respond quickly enough to be considered anything other than L3 for installation in bedrooms.
My comment only originated from me changing a load of domestic detectors and all the heats sais "THIS IS NOT A LIFE SAVING DEVICE".
However,in the US it is common practice to install heats in roofspaces over smokes (they do like their sprinklers in the states though so maybe they have a thing for heat activated devices!!!)
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Going back to the original question, the occupants are quite clearly relevant people and therefore require consideration. Heat detectors will not provide this and as such the alternatives are smoke or CO.