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Title: Reform fire safety order re - farms
Post by: Davash on March 22, 2008, 07:38:53 PM

To what extent does the new regs apply to farms and farm buildings inasmuch that there is a wide range of farm type buildings, such as barns,silos, dairys, cattle buildings etc. Would a tenant farmer be the 'responsible person' or a landowner?Anyone clarify where and under what circumstances a fire risk assessment is necessary. I know that farms are a high risk area from arson and contain many combustible substances.

Daveash

Title: Reform fire safety order re - farms
Post by: kurnal on March 22, 2008, 09:54:14 PM

Yes the Order applies to farms and farm buildings and farm yards  but not to fields and woods. The employer will be the responsible persons or if there are no employees the owner. The order only aims to protect relevant persons . Sorry but the livestock is not directly protected by the order despite the recent guidance document implying that they may be.

A written risk assessment will be required where there are more than 5 employees or if a licence of any description is in force.

Title: Reform fire safety order re - farms
Post by: jokar on March 22, 2008, 10:01:37 PM

Can I just change Kurnals post slightly in that a recorded FRA will be required, this is not necessarily a written one and if there are less than 5 employees the legislation still applies but the FRA does not need recording.

Title: Reform fire safety order re - farms
Post by: kurnal on March 22, 2008, 10:53:56 PM

Quite right Jokar. Of course Someone else may correctly point out that it is the prescribed information that needs recording not the risk assessment but then I would call them an anorak.

Title: Reform fire safety order re - farms
Post by: lingmoor on March 23, 2008, 12:03:34 AM

Quote from: kurnal

A written risk assessment will be required where there are more than 5 employees or if a licence of any description is in force.

can I be pedantic :)

Title: Reform fire safety order re - farms
Post by: PhilB on March 23, 2008, 09:11:12 AM

Quote from: kurnal

Quite right Jokar. Of course Someone else may correctly point out that it is the prescribed information that needs recording not the risk assessment but then I would call them an anorak.

and hopefully also tell the anorak wearing saddo that fire safety management procedures must also be recorded...now where did I leave my kagool??

Title: Reform fire safety order re - farms
Post by: Chris Houston on March 23, 2008, 11:44:32 AM

Quote from: Davash

To what extent does the new regs apply to farms and farm buildings inasmuch that there is a wide range of farm type buildings, such as barns,silos, dairys, cattle buildings etc. Would a tenant farmer be the 'responsible person' or a landowner?Anyone clarify where and under what circumstances a fire risk assessment is necessary. I know that farms are a high risk area from arson and contain many combustible substances.

Daveash

To what extent - fully.

I am sure if you tell us a little bit more info, people can point you in the right direction on how to complete this.  Are you the landlord or the farmer?  How many people work there?

Title: Reform fire safety order re - farms
Post by: Davash on March 23, 2008, 02:19:31 PM

Thank you folks for your replies, your comments confirm the fact that a fire risk assessment is necessary in most farm buildings and areas. Advice was needed for somebody who has a small dairy farm with six people employed with various outbuildings including the main dairy area. In addition i believe there is a british standard, BS.5502-23 which gives advice on fire precautions in agricultural buildings.

Daveash

Title: Reform fire safety order re - farms
Post by: jokar on March 23, 2008, 07:52:06 PM

I just wear a hat and coat, oh a gloves of course.