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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Fire Safety => Topic started by: Ashley Wood on June 16, 2008, 01:54:53 PM

Title: Underground stations in London
Post by: Ashley Wood on June 16, 2008, 01:54:53 PM

Can someone confirm for me what item of fire legislation covers the retail units within stations. This is not 'subsurface' retail but street level retail. The units do form part of the underground station.

Title: Underground stations in London
Post by: messy on June 16, 2008, 09:38:48 PM

The same as any retail :- RR(FS)O 2005

Title: Underground stations in London
Post by: Ashley Wood on June 17, 2008, 08:14:13 AM

so there are no specifics that are unique to London?

Title: Underground stations in London
Post by: wee brian on June 17, 2008, 11:58:28 AM

There used to be something about connections between undergound stations and other premises in the London Building Act  (great big flood doors etc)

Some shops in london connect with the tube at basement level.

Title: Underground stations in London
Post by: messy on June 17, 2008, 07:02:19 PM

Ashley,

I'll try to do some research tomorrow if I get time, or I'll supply the phone No of the LFB's dedicated 'Transport Group', who deal solely with LU Fire safety matters.

I am sure they'd be able to put you right

Title: Underground stations in London
Post by: Ashley Wood on June 18, 2008, 08:47:48 AM

Thanks Messy and all for your help.

Title: Underground stations in London
Post by: messy on June 18, 2008, 05:11:18 PM

Ashley, the contact details for the LFB Transport Group are:

0208 555 1200 (then dial the following extension when prompted).........
 
Team Leader

30850

 
Inspecting Officers
 
30853
 
30852
   
30863
 
30864
 

Transport Fire Safety
 
Responsible for the enforcement and interpretation of the sub-surface railway stations regulations, and providing advice on new/redevelopment of sub-surface railways. Sets policy and gives advice on surface railway development and other transport fire safety issues. Also sets policy and provides advice to borough teams and other external organisations on new and existing road tunnels.

Title: Underground stations in London
Post by: Fishy on June 20, 2008, 10:20:41 AM

If part of a sub-surface station the unit will be covered under the Fire precautions (sub-surface railway stations) reg's, even if the retail unit is on the surface.  Only LU can give you definitive advice on whether this applies or not.  RR(FS)O applies too.

LU has it's own Fire Protection standards, which include active and passive fire protection (including very strict standards on Fire safety performance of materials in all sub-surface and some surface stations), to which the unit might have to comply and there might be relevant safety obligations under the TfL lease as well.  If part of the station all works done will need to comply with those standards.

Title: Underground stations in London
Post by: terry martin on July 02, 2008, 08:19:42 AM

the fire precautions(sub surface) regs 1989 (Section 12 regs for short) are still in force and where not repealled with the introduction of the RRO.

Title: Underground stations in London
Post by: wee brian on July 02, 2008, 09:19:18 AM

They are up for a review though -

http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/fire/subsurfacerailregs

Title: Underground stations in London
Post by: terry martin on July 04, 2008, 02:20:16 PM

yep, was meant to be repealled and superseded by an addendum to the RRO last october, then this April, now it's this october. i expect your getting the picture by now.

thanks for the link though,