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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Fire Safety => Topic started by: Chris Houston on July 02, 2008, 06:20:49 PM
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The lads at the football have been told they can't take their flag in because the flag does not have a Fire Certificate.
Anyone got any ideas what the staff at Hampden Stadium might be hoping for?
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The lads at the football have been told they can't take their flag in because the flag does not have a Fire Certificate.
Anyone got any ideas what the staff at Hampden Stadium might be hoping for?
I despair - the UK just gets worse and worse!
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JUst a footnote to the above -
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE KIDS WHO WERE BORN IN THE 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70’s!!
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a tin, and didn't get tested for diabetes.
Then after that trauma, our baby cots were covered with bright coloured lead-based paints.
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.
Riding in the back of a van - loose - was always great fun.
We drank water from the garden hosepipe and NOT from a bottle.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.
We ate cakes, white bread and real butter and drank pop with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because......
WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!!
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem .
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no text messaging, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents .
We played with worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.
Made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not poke out any eyes.
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just yelled for them!
The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!
This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!
The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned
HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
And YOU are one of them!
CONGRATULATIONS!
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But in the end, what for. Our children who we have brought up are living the life we did not, but why?
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But in the end, what for. Our children who we have brought up are living the life we did not, but why?
Cheese
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Chris, I think they will mean a certificate to claim that the material is either of limited flammability, or has been treated to make it so.
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Surely any flag will burn? What is the certificate was unclear, I can't see a security guard being able to analyse such a document.
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I think it depends on what size the flag is. Is it one of these really big ones that gets passed around the crowd? If it is, it could potentially be a problem. As demonstrated on most of the hyped up news reports from the middle east nowadays, flags do burn extremely well! It would be ok if you could rely on the supporters to act sensibly, but as a season ticket holder with a now Championship club I can confirm that is definately not the case. One idiot with a lighter? I know that the Police don't like the large flags being used as they have no idea what is going on underneath it and CCTV becomes completely useless.
With the smaller flags I can't see a problem though.
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Hi Chris,
You would probably be better off contacting the stadium direct to see what their policy is, and how you can go about complying with it. Alternatively you could contact the enforcing authority which will probably be the local council for a sports stadium (not sure about the rules in Scotland).
I take it for granted that there are no anti-English sentiments on the flag?
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Companies will treat the material with flame retardant chemicals, then issue a certificate to prove it has been treated. This is commonplace in licenced premises where they may want some strange wall/ceiling coverings.
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As demonstrated on most of the hyped up news reports from the middle east nowadays, flags do burn extremely well!
I think they tend to use an accelerant.
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I take it for granted that there are no anti-English sentiments on the flag?
Correct!
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I think they tend to use an accelerant
I'm sure you are right.
It should however be borne in mind that a lot of these materials were previously classed as Highly Flammable under the Fire Precautions Act, and we used to issue Fire Certificates to cover them. I've inspected quite a number of clothing factories where only 1 or 2 people worked but that had Fire Certs due to the materials they contained.
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I'm not sure a flag adds much when everyone is wearing nylon football tops anyway.
More importantly if some bloke trots up with a 10 page certificate that says somewhere in the middle "just as flammable as every other nylon flag" how it that gonna work. Who can issue such certificates? How do we know the certificate is connected to the same flag? It seems like an entirly pointless exercise. I'm thinking of printing him off a certificate myself with words to the effect - it burns just as well as any other piece of cloth of the same material.
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I think the difference is that a football shirt only covers one person, and I'm sure official shirts will be fire retardent anyway.
One of the large flags that you see at games can be covering the faces and heads of hundreds of people at a time. If it was made of a highly flammable material that hadn't been treated it could potentialy cause a big problem.
I think that maybe you would be best contacting the stadium to get their take on it.
It has always been a gripe of mine with my own team. For virtually every game flags on sticks are banned (also sticks can be used as weapons). Then they will choose 2 or 3 games where they encourage everyone to bring a flag for 'flag day'. Makes no sense to me.
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At all Chelsea's champions league home games the stadium leaves a free flag on a stick on each seat.
I'm not sure why a large highly flammable flag would be an issue? Where's the ignition source? Smokings banned
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Big T
Do I spot a fellow Blue????? Mrs Davo will be pleased.
Saw one in Euro, so big it covered about 50 people.
With firecrackers about the stadium FSA was probably bricking it.
Don't think the shirts are FR, doubt if the seats are too.
davo
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At all Chelsea's champions league home games the stadium leaves a free flag on a stick on each seat.
I'm not sure why a large highly flammable flag would be an issue? Where's the ignition source? Smokings banned
Unfortunately as my team have never been and are highly unlikely to ever be in the Champions League I've never been lucky enough to find a free flag on my seat :(
An idiot with a lighter who thinks it might be a laugh, must be quite a few of them in every football crowd?
I think it's a possibility, even if remote, and therefore a risk that can be removed (alarp and all that).
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Don't be sad about supporting a pants team. Champions league just adds more torment and more trips to the ground. Midweek which is a pain.
Chelsea fan by birth rather than choice.
Please ring chelseas fire safety number. 0800 won nothing won nothing won nothing
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I took a flag to Plymouth Argyle's ground some time ago, that was really dangerous, it didn't burst into flames - it had Bristol City wrote on it and I was sat at the wrong end!
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...Actually I should give their full league name - Plymouth Argyle Nil
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Back to the original post: It's 'cos the ball is the wrong shape - round not oval.
C'mon the Warriors! Oh Yeah!, never thought i'd get that one out on this Forum!!!
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C'mon the Warriors! Oh Yeah!, never thought i'd get that one out on this Forum!!!
WWWhhhhhhooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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C'mon the Warriors! Oh Yeah!, never thought i'd get that one out on this Forum!!!
WWWhhhhhhooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you mean who?