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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Technical Advice => Topic started by: Benzerari on November 08, 2008, 04:01:28 PM

Title: Detectors hidden above ducts ???
Post by: Benzerari on November 08, 2008, 04:01:28 PM: Who is to blame in this case, the FAS's designer, the responsible person, the contractors... etc ?

If a 100% service is required, or the last 1/4 service is to complete the 100% test of the year, some detectors found to be hidden above the ducts and large metal trunkings and trays... etc, there is no way to access them any more, even in some situations and for health and safety reasons I wouldn't recommend any service engineer to take a risk...etc.
Title: Detectors hidden above ducts ???
Post by: Benzerari on November 09, 2008, 12:36:07 AM: When it comes to blame, no one blames in public...! :)
Title: Detectors hidden above ducts ???
Post by: Graeme on November 09, 2008, 10:18:49 AM: blame the consultants. This is a common occurance with void detection.
Title: Re: Detectors hidden above ducts ???
Post by: Galeon on November 19, 2008, 11:13:24 PM: It has always been the same over the years , the duct work boys get in first and it seems the whole construction revolves around them .
I always see battles going on especially between the sprinkler lads and them , us detection boys get caught up in the middle.
Title: Re: Detectors hidden above ducts ???
Post by: Thomas Brookes on November 20, 2008, 07:56:49 AM: If its a new build, I would think its down to the architect as I believe not they should look at on going maintenance in a building.
Title: Re: Detectors hidden above ducts ???
Post by: Benzerari on November 20, 2008, 03:56:46 PM: Quote from: Thomas Brookes on November 20, 2008, 07:56:49 AM
If its a new build, I would think its down to the architect as I believe not they should look at on going maintenance in a building.

But architects can't predict of any alterations in the futures, can't they?
Title: Re: Detectors hidden above ducts ???
Post by: Graeme on November 20, 2008, 06:00:31 PM: half of them can't predict what is happening on with on going jobs.
Title: Re: Detectors hidden above ducts ???
Post by: Thomas Brookes on November 20, 2008, 08:25:02 PM: You did not ask if they can predict whats going to happen, you asked who's fault it is.

With alterations after a new build, would be I think the responsibility of the building owner or the person incharge of it.
Title: Re: Detectors hidden above ducts ???
Post by: Benzerari on November 20, 2008, 08:39:45 PM: Quote from: Thomas Brookes on November 20, 2008, 08:25:02 PM
You did not ask if they can predict whats going to happen, you asked who's fault it is.

With alterations after a new build, would be I think the responsibility of the building owner or the person incharge of it.

You answered by; 'blame the architect', therefore the forward question was; on what basis you blamed the architect?
Title: Re: Detectors hidden above ducts ???
Post by: Thomas Brookes on November 21, 2008, 08:20:20 AM: Benz my reason was "I believe they should look at on going maintenance in a building."
Title: Re: Detectors hidden above ducts ???
Post by: Benzerari on November 22, 2008, 11:55:08 PM: I would blame the owner! :)
Title: Re: Detectors hidden above ducts ???
Post by: Benzerari on November 22, 2008, 11:58:42 PM: Agreed; but once the building is ready and occupied, the architect shouldn’t be responsible of what the owner wants to do! Isn’t it?