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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => General Interest => Topic started by: Thomas Brookes on November 16, 2008, 04:53:30 PM
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Does anyone know if there are going to be any more updates to BS5839-1 before May 2009.
I need to get a upto date copy for my ECA inspection due May time, but I do not want to buy two copies before then.
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Does anyone know if there are going to be any more updates to BS5839-1 before May 2009.
I need to get a upto date copy for my ECA inspection due May time, but I do not want to buy two copies before then.
Give them a call Tom!
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I will, but like everything with the BSI its never that simple as just giving them a call.
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You might get lucky , and M
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You might get lucky , and Mr T will be passing .
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My copy of BS5839-1:2002+A2:2008 (as the title suggests) was updated on 31st March 2008 and supersedes BS 5839-1 2002+A1:2004 which is withdrawn.
It's a complicated business - this BSI numbering system (overcomplicated some would argue) which I accept I don't fully understand. Perhaps someone else would explain the system.
However, the latest (31st March 2008) version does make a number of minor changes. So surely there won't be any more amendments before next May??????
Unless the impending recession makes the BSI issue money making amendments to keep them in profit?!
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Unless the impending recession makes the BSI issue money making amendments to keep them in profit?!
There is a credit crunch on, & they have to keep Mr T in tea and biscuits when hes there.
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Normaly people who are members they could find out, as a members the should be closer, but about the recession every body will be suffer from the macro to the nano :lol:
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I was told that they are not allowed to issue a complete new standard within X number of years of issuing the original due to the unfair cost it would put upon the people needing it.
Funny then they can issue loads of amendments and still charge the same money they would for a complete new guide.....
Always more than one way to skin a cat.....
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I was told that they are not allowed to issue a complete new standard within X number of years of issuing the original due to the unfair cost it would put upon the people needing it.
Funny then they can issue loads of amendments and still charge the same money they would for a complete new guide.....
Always more than one way to skin a cat.....
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Had a email back from the British Standards
Dear Mr Brookes,
Thank you for your email.
The document was last updated this year.
I can find no plans to update this standard again at present.
If I can be of further assistance please feel free to contact me.
Regards,
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Had a email back from the British Standards
Dear Mr Brookes,
Thank you for your email.
The document was last updated this year.
I can find no plans to update this standard again at present.
If I can be of further assistance please feel free to contact me.
Regards,
You see Tom, it's always worth to give a try... :)
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There will be no amendments before May, as no work is in progress to make amendments. However, work is in hand to produce a new PD 6531, which designers etc ought to have. I have cut down on biscuits, but I see no commensurate reduction in the cost of standards. Ergo the cost cannot be my fault. Anyhow, BS 9999 will make enough money to buy enough biscuits to see me out the rest of my days. Good money for a fundamentally flawed standard.
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There will be no amendments before May, as no work is in progress to make amendments. However, work is in hand to produce a new PD 6531, which designers etc ought to have. I have cut down on biscuits, but I see no commensurate reduction in the cost of standards. Ergo the cost cannot be my fault. Anyhow, BS 9999 will make enough money to buy enough biscuits to see me out the rest of my days. Good money for a fundamentally flawed standard.
Just biscuits?
I can even get you 'turkish baklava...' every single day, and for one year, if you can get me all parts related to BS5839... , good deal though :lol:
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There will be no amendments before May, as no work is in progress to make amendments. However, work is in hand to produce a new PD 6531, which designers etc ought to have. I have cut down on biscuits, but I see no commensurate reduction in the cost of standards. Ergo the cost cannot be my fault. Anyhow, BS 9999 will make enough money to buy enough biscuits to see me out the rest of my days. Good money for a fundamentally flawed standard.
Im interested in what are the flaws in BS9999?
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The "flaws" in the BS 9999 are directly below the ceilings and completley surrounded by the walls......does this help?
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None, it has taken years of research and committee decisions to get this document out on the streets. Goos BRE research that is and fundamentals from BS 7974. As in all cases it is not the document it is the practitioner.
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None, it has taken years of research and committee decisions to get this document out on the streets. Goos BRE research that is and fundamentals from BS 7974. As in all cases it is not the document it is the practitioner.
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Jokar, I have news for you. It is not really father xmas that brings your presents each year. Mrs Jokar puts them out once you are asleep. And if the sprinklers are operating in the ROOM of fire origin, there must be a very large fire, so why would you want to have longer travel distances and slow down escape by reducing the exit widths WITHIN THAT ROOM. Was that BRE research too. Dont think so-their research suggests quite the opposite. Blind faith in those who draft standards is ill placed, particularly, if, when challenged, they cant offer a satisfactory explanation. It is simply a new weapon to hit enforcing authorities over the head with, and will be used as such, notwithstanding the good intentions of those who drafted it and the good concepts that are badly implemented in the standard, resulting in various flaws.