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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Technical Advice => Topic started by: SRJ on November 26, 2008, 09:12:18 PM

Title: Fire Protection System
Post by: SRJ on November 26, 2008, 09:12:18 PM
Has anybody come across fire protection system which can be installed into the electrical control cabinets of machines (i.e. CNC etc).

Thanks
Title: Re: Fire Protection System
Post by: AnthonyB on November 26, 2008, 10:58:13 PM
Firetrace is the easiest thing to adapt off the top of my head that could protect this.
Title: Re: Fire Protection System
Post by: Galeon on November 27, 2008, 01:23:57 AM
Could go air sampling , Icam were very good at this and its micro bore pipe as well .
Title: Re: Fire Protection System
Post by: Allen Higginson on November 27, 2008, 02:24:21 AM
I think they are referring to protection as opposed to detection (ie  extinguishing).
Chemial agents in small containers meet this requirement.
Title: Re: Fire Protection System
Post by: Big_Fella on November 27, 2008, 08:37:06 AM
We recently provided several extinguishant systems in cabinets similar to this.  We 'managed' to find room for detectors within the cabinet to trigger the release agent, this was installed adjacent the cabinet and piped in.

The only real problem you may find is that the cabinet may be vented to reduce the risk of electrical components overheating.  This may then act as a way for the extingishant agent to escape during discharge.
Title: Re: Fire Protection System
Post by: SRJ on November 27, 2008, 09:03:22 AM
Thanks for the replies but Big_fella could you provide more details of the system please
Title: Re: Fire Protection System
Post by: Big_Fella on November 27, 2008, 10:49:51 AM
We provided FM200 systems to protect these cabinets as the clients request.  The cylinder was floor mounted adjacent the cabinet this was connected into the cabinet using a flexible hose.  Other scenarios we've carried out in the past, if there's enough space within the cabinet would be to mount the cylinder within the cabinet with a discharge nozzle mounted directly ontop.

An extinguishant panel was provided on an adjacent wall with detectors hardwired to the cabinet to trigger to extingishant agent.

It's a little fiddly getting cables etc in, but if done correctly it looks good and our clients have been very impressed.  Incidently they had several other companies in to price the same job and coem back with wierd and wonderful ideas, and indeed some said they couldn't do it!

Title: Re: Fire Protection System
Post by: Galeon on November 27, 2008, 12:11:00 PM
I think they are referring to protection as opposed to detection (ie  extinguishing).
Chemial agents in small containers meet this requirement.

Buzz , too many beers last night , but hey puts me up another post to the beloved hero status.
Title: Re: Fire Protection System
Post by: Wiz on November 27, 2008, 12:45:01 PM
Everybody will be a hero one day  :)
Title: Re: Fire Protection System
Post by: Chris Houston on November 28, 2008, 12:48:53 AM
I think they are referring to protection as opposed to detection (ie  extinguishing).
Chemial agents in small containers meet this requirement.

Buzz , too many beers last night , but hey puts me up another post to the beloved hero status.

Anyone found making unnecessary posts to get to hero status will have their post count reduced by a significant margin.  <evil laugh> I have endless new powers.
Title: Re: Fire Protection System
Post by: Allen Higginson on November 28, 2008, 05:43:42 PM
Be careful Chris - in the words of Lord Acton, expressing his opinion in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
Title: Re: Fire Protection System
Post by: Chris Houston on November 30, 2008, 10:52:07 PM
Thanks for the warning.  I'll try and not let my new powers go to my head.
Title: Re: Fire Protection System
Post by: David Rooney on December 01, 2008, 09:18:44 AM
Be careful Chris - in the words of Lord Acton, expressing his opinion in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."


"Creighton" ...... wasn't he the funny looking one in red dwarf ??