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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Operational => Topic started by: Guest on November 13, 2003, 03:19:22 PM
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Does anyone know of a supplier of a high pressure spray system (similar to a pressure washer) that is used for some types of firefighting?.
I have also heard of some countries that are using this type of system in compartment firefighting. Anyone any knowledge / contacts / information.
:rolleyes:
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I don't know about what you require but some years ago France Developed a system that combined a Water container and Compressed air in backpack form. This produced a very high pressure mist that was capable if dealing with most flammable and vehicle fires quickly and effectively.
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IFEX is the kit you want.
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I might be wrong but I recall that a while ago the the L6P Pinzgauer at Bolton North was fitted with a 'car wash' type HP spray unit for us eon moorland fires.
Try contacting the Technical Dept at GMC Fire Service HQ on 0161 736 5866
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Yes, I know of two manufacturers. Marioff and Wormald both make water mist lances for manual fire-fighting, as well as the fixed systems. I think they also do a system that incorporates water mist in a hose-reel type format.
I have just checked, but cannot find the lances on either website, but, have spoken to them both in the past, so am confident that they do exist. Give them a call.
www.marioff.com
www.wormald.co.uk/fire
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We have tham on our Land Rovers in Staffs!
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Oxfordshire Fire & Rescue has been told by the PPC that they must save 1/2 a million on their next budget. Instead of replacing B type water tender ladders. They are now looking to purchase some Mini 'B' type tenders. Saving £60,000 per kitted vehicle. We will lose 1 rider as a result of this modernisation. (5 riders only)
The truck only has a 200 or 300 ltr water tank. A high pressure foam system. We have be told that we can still turn out to house fires with this system, and carry out normal operations i.e. RTA Chemical incidents etc.
Are there any other brigades going along the same route?
Good website
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Fire Fogging Systems from Newmains in Scotland manufacture the systems that you are looking for. Speak to a Dennis Burns. I recently completed a research project on these systems versus standard hosereel sprays as part of my MSc in Fire Engineering.
The tests were conducted on 4 car fires and 6 compartment fires (firefighting commencing as flashover was reached) with realistic fire loading that these systems would have to deal with. As a first attack tool these were found to be extremely effective with some interesting results in time / temperature curves.
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West Mids are trialing a Swedish system called COBRA.
Contact : Trevor Hadley
More details of the system at http://www.bhrgroup.co.uk/diajet/cobra.htm.
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Northumberland have purchased the Fire Fogging system, 4 4x4 Isuzu Rodeos being fitted as we write and the first due in a couple of weeks. Intended for rural incidents but obvioulsy a benefit wherever. Also the 4x4 will allow single pump retained stations to mobilise with a crew of 9 to house fires (5 appliance 4 in Rodeo). A noticeable INCREASE in our crewing levels in these areas.
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Fire Attack Systems in scotland also manufactures high pressure spray systems.
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Northumberland have purchased the Fire Fogging system, 4 4x4 Isuzu Rodeos being fitted as we write and the first due in a couple of weeks. Intended for rural incidents but obvioulsy a benefit wherever. Also the 4x4 will allow single pump retained stations to mobilise with a crew of 9 to house fires (5 appliance 4 in Rodeo). A noticeable INCREASE in our crewing levels in these areas.
Would the rodeo go instead of another pump or aswell as.
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The CCS-Cobra unit is a combined abrasive jet cutter and fire fighting device. Uses British Diajet technology and is sold by CCS of Sweden. Demonstrated by Leicester and on trial with W.Midlands. Allows fighting of fire from outside building by penetrating brickwork, doors etc, cuts any material, uses minimal water but has sufficient carry to drive mist into fire unlike fogging systems. Has become std. equipment in many Swedish forces as first response device.
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HAve also seen this in operation.
Generally used in premises to ensure the liklihood of flashover / backdraft is reduced / illiminated.
Looks to be really effective, although has been around for a few years, not brand new technology.
Good stuff!!P
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Northumberland have purchased the Fire Fogging system, 4 4x4 Isuzu Rodeos being fitted as we write and the first due in a couple of weeks. Intended for rural incidents but obvioulsy a benefit wherever. Also the 4x4 will allow single pump retained stations to mobilise with a crew of 9 to house fires (5 appliance 4 in Rodeo). A noticeable INCREASE in our crewing levels in these areas.
I have heard about these vehicles being borderline legal, even with a full tank of water and 2 average sized firefighters.
Could this also result in retained members missing out on call outs due to this vehicle being sent in place of the main appliance?
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I have some information on IFEX like equipment made in china.
Pte msg me if you are interested.
This basically deploy a >100 Pascal N2, forcing water into a spinner strainer which slice the water into fine molecules of averaging 20-40 microns mist, which envelopes the fire source.
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Fogtec have produced the best system I have seen. It was tested along side the Fire Fogging system by Manchester FR Service and came up trumps! It is designed as a fire fighters tool and not as a 'jet wash'.
Having spoken to Fogtec in depth now I can assure you that these are viable as a RIV for road incidents and also as a 1st responce vehicle. Why send a full crew and expensive tender to a waste fire, car fire, etc.
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West Mids are trialing a Swedish system called COBRA.
Contact : Trevor Hadley
More details of the system at http://www.bhrgroup.co.uk/diajet/cobra.htm.
Avon are also trialing this piece of kit......it can be used to "blast" a mixture of water and metal fillings through a solid brick wall or steel barrier. once the hole is created it will then allow you to cool the compartment from relative safety using a high powered fog.
best to look at the official website for more accurate info as ive only seen it briefly.
not sure how useful it will prove.
http://www.ccs-cobra.com/en/main_eng.asp