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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Technical Advice => Topic started by: Simon72 on June 10, 2010, 11:10:05 AM

Title: BS5839 Pt 6 system in a 15th century B&B
Post by: Simon72 on June 10, 2010, 11:10:05 AM

Good Morning,

i have recently carried out a FRA on a Grade 2 jacobean 15th century home that has been turned into a B&B, the current occupiers of the premises have received a visit from the FRS enforcement officer,

one of the things he has picked up on is the lack of a suitable means of early warning, quite right too, as the current system is domestic smoke detectors on the 1st floor landing.

owing to the age, layout and complexity of the home i have suggested an EMS radio linked system. what type of system does anyone else know of that does not require hard wiring but ticks the boxes when it comes to compliance?, Also would you disagree with the type of system i have recommended?

kind regards

Simon

Title: Re: BS5839 Pt 6 system in a 15th century B&B
Post by: Davo on June 10, 2010, 11:15:39 AM

Good Morning Simon72

We have two EMS systems L1 and have had a couple of detectors go down in the three or so years we have had them, sothey are pretty reliable


davo

Title: Re: BS5839 Pt 6 system in a 15th century B&B
Post by: kurnal on June 12, 2010, 01:58:43 PM

Depending on the size and nature a  part 6 radio linked system may be sufficient?

EMS systems are great but a full part 1 system may be OTT in a B&B?

Title: Re: BS5839 Pt 6 system in a 15th century B&B
Post by: Graeme on June 13, 2010, 12:42:06 PM

I find the radio linked system a bit misleading as the installer is still required to get a cable to each smoke alarm.
I have used EMS for part 6 systems a few times due to the nature of the site. You can achieve the coverage easily but with a higher grade of system.

Title: Re: BS5839 Pt 6 system in a 15th century B&B
Post by: Bill J on October 03, 2011, 03:27:06 PM

I hope its ok to bring this back to the surface, but I wanted an opinion on the Aico range of detectors which are Radio Linked, and have a 10 year battery for power, I have now installed 2 of them, (MD's house and a friends House) and both work perfectly well.

However in the real world, they would not comply with anything substantial, and therefore without a whole heap of "well it would work, but no certification" making me sound like a ten gallon hat merchant, I was wondering what the collective thoughts of the furum are.

My company install and maintain Part 1 systems as our bread and butter, but generally avoid part 6 systems, as the disruption to flats/apartments is a pain.

Is there ever likely to be a change in part 6? are they truly awful and I just havent spotted it? they also do callpoints so can be used for manual raising of the alarm.......

I could do with your thoughts!

Title: Re: BS5839 Pt 6 system in a 15th century B&B
Post by: Midland Retty on October 03, 2011, 04:43:00 PM

Hi Simon.

Bearing in mind that we haven't seen the premises in question part 6 systems are normally acceptable in B&B establishments. I would also consider the age, size and business continuity requirementsof the property in selecting which grade to go for.

Title: Re: BS5839 Pt 6 system in a 15th century B&B
Post by: The Colonel on October 04, 2011, 06:56:46 PM

Bill

The AICO range of detectors would be very suitable for this situation with an excellent range of both single and multi detectors and would comply with Part 6. they are being widely used and perform well.

Title: Re: BS5839 Pt 6 system in a 15th century B&B
Post by: Bill J on October 06, 2011, 11:24:02 AM

Guys,

We have installed a number of the Mains Powered versions, where site conditions permit, and those have been fine, and we can certificate those so everyones happy.

It was really an opinion in the use of the AICO (or any other manufacturer) range of detectors that are radio linked and Ten YEAR BATTERY Powered, being used in areas where traditionally only a mains powered smoke/heat alarm system would be specified. We have installed a number of the Mains Powered versions, where site conditions allow, and those have been fine, and we can certificate those everyones happy.

As they are Battery powered that could not be classified as anything other than a Grade F, which is rarely or ever specified, but the disruption to someones home with trunking and cabling normally (in my experience) means people prefer not to put anything in.

As most detectors should be replaced after 10 years anyway, I was really after views on the ability to use a Battery operated radio interlinked system, instead of a Grade D Mains Powered system.

Cheers

Title: Re: BS5839 Pt 6 system in a 15th century B&B
Post by: assured on October 19, 2011, 09:14:58 AM

I believe for a small site such as this the wireless AICO detectors would be a perfect solution when applied to a part 6 design.

To answer the question at the start of this topic, I believe the Cooper Menvier and Hyfire Systems radio systems are also compliant to EN54, along with the newer EMS system.