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FIRE RELATED TRAINING, QUALIFICATIONS AND EXAMS => Continuing Professional Development => Topic started by: kurnal on October 07, 2010, 04:30:59 PM
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This looks well worth a visit
http://www.warringtonfire.net/3/271/newsdetail.html
Though theres a heck of a lot of topics to be covered- hope its not a superficial dust over! Personally I would prefer less topics but covered in some depth.
Still it looks good so I have booked my place.
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Link doesn't work Kurnal. Or rather it just takes you to a blank page on the Warrington site.
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Sorry. Try this:
http://www.warringtonfire.net/3/288/newsdetail.html
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When I rang to cancel I was told there were 91 confirmations
Did I miss anything ???
Why aren't there more postings on this ::)
davo
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It was a good day overall, I think the range of issues covered were designed to make one stop and think, to shake us out of out complacency and to examine our own level of competence over a range of fire disciplines, certainly thought provoking.
It skated over a very wide range of topics some of which were new- eg the Equality Act that has replaced the DDA from 1 October, there was some discussion on sprinklers and water mist, passives, surface finishes and fire propagation.
It left me wondering whether CPD days are suitable and sufficient to keep up with changes to legislation and standards. I rely on CPD days but there is a need for more formal and detailed training courses on some topics. And who should provide such courses?
And there was a cooked lunch with a pie option and a decent range of veggie alternatives :)
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I too found it useful with some very interesting topics in the afternoon session. As Kurnal said the equality legislation and its replacement of the DDA came as a surprise for a few, surface spread of flame was also useful and the Dsear info was of particular interest as two of my clients are about to find out. With the range of topics the allocation of just 30 minutes made things a little compressed, perhaps next time it should be fewer subjects and more time on each one.
Certainly a useful day at what can only be described as a very reasonable cost, also it was also indicated that the presentations would be sent out to all attendees on CD which will be a useful reference point.
Bring on a few more.
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Thanks Prof and The Colonel
Understand the next one is 12 months away, hope I'm still in the FRA trade then :-\
davo
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There was pie? I might come to the next one then... ;D
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Correct Meerkat, there was pie ::) ::)
Anyone off to Firex North?
Some interesting seminars, not sure which day to go
davo
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Can anyone expand on the topic of DSEAR?
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The speaker referred to article 12 of the FSO and explained the relationship with DSEAR and its origins in ATEX, explaining and giving examples of the risk arising from flammable gases, vapours and dusts that should be considered in respect of both regulations.
That a Fire Safety Order Risk Assessment could not be suitable and complete unless it took account of the outcome of a DSEAR assessment under these circumstances.
The presentation did not go into specific aspects eg in terms of hierarchy of measures or zoning, it was more intended to make sure we were aware of DSEAR and the competence requirements thereof.
The speaker offered a get out of jail paragraph to put in our fire risk assessments to make it clear to the RP that our fire risk assessment did not cover the risk arising from process or dangerous substances falling under DSEAR.
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Kurnal,
Are Warrington fire going to offer further CPD days in the next 12 months, or sooner?
Also who was the speaker who pitched the DSEAR regs?
simon
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Yes once per year. Also watch for the FIA CPD days - 4 planned per year.
It was Dave Price - Senior Explosion consultant, Managing Director GEXCon UK Ltd.
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Hi Alan,
ok many thanks for that..
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The speaker offered a get out of jail paragraph to put in our fire risk assessments to make it clear to the RP that our fire risk assessment did not cover the risk arising from process or dangerous substances falling under DSEAR.
One of the principles of the FSO was to rationalise fire safety legislation and the insert article 12 which is adequately covered by the DSEAR doesn't make sense but the above get out of gaol card does seem, a reasonable way to resolve this situation. I would add a further proviso to ensure the RP has implemented a DSEAR risk assessment or in the process.
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But the difficulty is that dangerous substances etc may well have a detrimental effect on fire safety measures that would be considered suitable in normal premises and circumstance. If we have been told the FRA is not suitable without DSEAR inclusion, how can we offer or provide a document poporting to be a FRA?
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The speaker offered a get out of jail paragraph to put in our fire risk assessments to make it clear to the RP that our fire risk assessment did not cover the risk arising from process or dangerous substances falling under DSEAR.
What was the speaker's suggestion K?
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BLEVE If a premises is likely to be subject to the DSEAR/ATEX you could insist a DSEAR risk assessment is conducted before the FRA or would you sooner have two risk assessments done under the DSEAR and FSO? Also I would think most FR assessors would not be qualified to conduct a DSEAR type assessment.
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NT he offered the para to anyone who asked, I did not find out as I already have this covered in my standard format.
Tom you are right DSEAR is a different competence requirement and one that is quite expensive to attain and maintain. HSE do courses at their Buxton HQ - the problem is to attain competence you have to conduct a number of assessments under supervision, for the fire risk assessor who may only encounter DSEAR issues occasionally it is neither practicable or affordable.
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Went to firex north today, very poor turnout
Colin Todd was one of the debators about the Enforcement Model, made some good points, nicely paced speech ;D
davo
Shame about CT's socks though ::)
(Sunglasses a must)
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Davo, Don't you recognize modern funk when you see it???
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Very 70s ;D
davo
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Yes Davo, I have, in my time, spotted my bestest chum, Sir Col, sporting some very unorthodox "sockwear"
Some say he is the "Gok Wan" of fire risk assessment world.
His socks are often carefully colour co-ordinated to match his eyes, you know.
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Christ, I'm glad they didn't turn off the lights then :o
davo
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Davo, you know so little about the culture of we modern youths. 1970s is indeed retro funk. I can see I need to educate you in sartorial elegance of the young man of today.
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Hark at you two- you have the combined age of 3 aeons! ;)
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Prof
Which of us is two aeons then ???
davo
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Toddy is 2.999 recurring.