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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Fire Safety => Topic started by: MPC on October 12, 2010, 11:09:12 AM

Title: Part 1 and Part 6 systems
Post by: MPC on October 12, 2010, 11:09:12 AM

Sorry guys two posts in a day

Can you offer some advice on the following please?
 
Where we are installing new fire alarm systems within blocks of flats, this is usually made up of a Part 1 system in the common areas and a Part 6 system in the individual flats.
 
My question is, where these Part 6 systems are installed in Leasehold properties (non tenanted), do we have a responsibility to check the smoke alarms, or is can this responsibility be passed to the Leaseholder?  If the answer is yes, I guess yearly would suffice?

Title: Re: Part 1 and Part 6 systems
Post by: Clevelandfire 3 on October 12, 2010, 06:51:06 PM

The trouble comes trying to enforce the owners service their fire alarms. All depends on the terms of the lease and whether the detection in each individual flat is required for just the flat (common) or to protect the common means of escape (rare)

If its just to protect their own flat if the leaseholder doesnt seervice it annually theyre just going to put themselves at risk. If its to protect the means of escape you then need to work out how you will enforce an owner occupier to service the kit out their own pocket

Title: Re: Part 1 and Part 6 systems
Post by: kurnal on October 13, 2010, 12:15:06 AM

Generally occupiers of the flats are responsible for the part 6 detectors  within their own flat. There are exceptions to this - and it can depend on a number of factors, whether the flat is occupied as someones permanent home or if the part 6 system is linked to  other detectors int he common areas.

I am interested in your comment that "this is usually ... a part 1 system in the common areas"

I wondered why a part 1 system is usually installed in the common areas?  Is it in compensation for some other shortcoming elsewhere?

Title: Re: Part 1 and Part 6 systems
Post by: AnthonyB on October 13, 2010, 12:25:20 AM

I was wondering that too!

Please elaborate!

Title: Re: Part 1 and Part 6 systems
Post by: Wiz on October 13, 2010, 01:39:57 PM

I've seen that sort of set up in loads of places; Part 1 in common areas incl. a sounder in every flat and then a seperate standalone smoke alarm in every flat.

Title: Re: Part 1 and Part 6 systems
Post by: FSO on October 13, 2010, 02:37:06 PM

So have I.

But usually as a compensatory feature or more likely as a result of a poor design and consultation process.

Jim

Title: Re: Part 1 and Part 6 systems
Post by: Midland Retty on October 13, 2010, 02:54:47 PM

Or it could be that the blocks in question are used as high rise sheltered housing schemes

Title: Re: Part 1 and Part 6 systems
Post by: Allen Higginson on October 15, 2010, 11:19:18 PM

Quote from: kurnal on October 13, 2010, 12:15:06 AM

Generally occupiers of the flats are responsible for the part 6 detectors  within their own flat. There are exceptions to this - and it can depend on a number of factors, whether the flat is occupied as someones permanent home or if the part 6 system is linked to  other detectors int he common areas.

I am interested in your comment that "this is usually ... a part 1 system in the common areas"

I wondered why a part 1 system is usually installed in the common areas?  Is it in compensation for some other shortcoming elsewhere?

I would have thought that it comes from Section 9.1.5 of Part 6 and the sections thereabouts in relation to mixed systems along with Grade A/LD2.