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FIRE SAFETY => Fire Alarm Systems => Topic started by: david911cockburn@btintern on March 12, 2011, 11:30:17 AM
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Hi All,
According to samFIRT and his infomation on 'empirical' evidence it would seem that if at any point during a fire, if the warning system should fail, it would only take one person to return to their desk and everyone else would follow. Therefore this situation appears to be even more urgent than I thought!
OK for anybody who does have a blind-spot for drawings then I will do my best to explain those that I have sent to Kurnal:
The first two represent a 'radial system' as they are defined within British and International electrical engineering dictionaries, the top drawing simply represents eight sounders that have been individually supplied as 'spurs' from the CIE and they are represented around the circumference of an imaginary (somewhat squashed) circle. The bottom drawing is in the 'schematic' form and shows the CIE enclosing eight fuses each one of which protects a single sounder, the sounder to the far right is shown as being on fire and its' supply cables are shown as 'dotted lines' in order to highlight the fact that the fuse has ruptured due to short-circuit in the cable and this this sounder has ceased to operate, whilst the other seven sounders are continueing to operate during the fire.
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MICC is old School....i'm sure if the terminations in FP200 were sub standard then it would not still be run in jobs by thousands of Engineers everyday.
Are you reffering to the pots,glands etc as equally as good as the cable itself or the two conductors after the pots which are only sleeved in PVC??
Here we go again then...
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what are you telling us david...that short circuit isolators are a new invention of yours?
what diagrams?
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They're sleeved in neoprene.
When fire resistance is required, standard Pyrotenax 105°C seal Ref. RPS may be used provided that the STANDARD PVC SLEEVING is replaced by
silicon elastomer coated glass braided sleeving
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I have been reading a number of claims made by David on another forum (from which he is now banned) that he has been very influential in writing BS5839-1 and that many of his suggestions have been included in the standard. So I am surprised at you having the gall to question his illogic Graeme
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Can we have the link to that forum Big Al. I promise not to get banned.
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http://www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=228045&start=45
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Illustrated-Explanation-Earthed-Equipotential-Bonding/dp/1449041612/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1275373005&sr=1-1-fkmr0
gets good reviews i see
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I am also a successful contributor to BS 5839-1, our fire alarm system standards. An awful lot of the amendments that I have put forward have also been deferred to the next major re-write
Colin
you kept this one quiet. ;D
Please don't re-write 5839-1 David as it means i will have to sit all those courses again ....
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Very entertaining links Guys :o
I here there's a vacancy for Royal Jester since my hero Spike passed on ;D
davo
He is joking, right..........
right :o :o :o
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"Oh my god - I have only just read this and the extracts. Most of it is completely incorrect and completely out of date."
Thats amazing, you have been found out by the sparkies!
It seems they have had enough of you and I think we have too.
Perhaps you should move on to the next set http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/
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Ok I have a confession... I always suspected Mr Cockburn was simply someone messing about under a silly name (Lets face it, his surname could be a rather nasty medical condition around the gentleman area)
Now I see he has actually written a book, and thus must be a real chappie, and his surname is indeed bona fide!... Im quite speechless
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Book? Its more like a leaflet. And he had to pay to have it published. Toddy has written longer postcards.
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I dare him to post on www.firealarmengineers.com and see how long he lasts on there!
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Now I see he has actually written a book, and thus must be a real chappie, and his surname is indeed bona fide!... Im quite speechless
Thought you said it was Cockburn ? ;D
Has he been telling JR Hartley how to fly fish as well ??
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Shut up
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David, plenty of us have given you our time and patience. The majority of us are consultants and get paid for our time and advice so you're lucky to not recieve a bill after getting us to advise you on your drivel.
As I have said before you cannot force an opinion, You have been given a chance, stop hijacking every post. You were found out and banned on the last forum so pleace cease spamming us on this one.
If newbies come to this forum they do not come here to see your arguments. They want to see an eclectic mix of debates and conclusions.
I for one am sick of your constant Colin/Kurnal bating. You seem to have a question for them. Their contact details are easy enough to find, its under each of their posts so please do us a favour and (if you have the balls) just ring them. Im sure Colin will do you a deal on a course if you start acting nice.
Please do not be under the illusion that you will somehow professionally embarrass one of them on here as you have experienced numerous times, as unlike yourself they know what they are talking about.
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Isn't that essentially what I just said?
;D
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After I finished writing mine I wished i'd of just written yours
Either way the message is definately out there ;D
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Perhaps it's time for some thread deletions.....
He still hasn't dared post on the fire alarm engineers forum!
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David
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNN
ps if you look at the address on the front it says INTERN ;D
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David, I have no need or desire to tell you who I am or gain your respect.
The answer you seek has been relayed to you many times in many forms.
I am not into repeating others answers for my own esteem.
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Hi All,
I can't help noticing that as with other sites that you have mentioned, you have not actually come up with any technical arguements with what I am saying.
Hello Colin,
Would you please confirm that you deferred my suggested amentments to the next major re-wrtie please.
we can't make up any technical arguements silly enough to do you justice.
Can't reason with a nutbar
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Can't reason with a nutbar
I am trying quite hard to discuss to subject on the level it deserves.
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Can't reason with a nutbar
I am trying quite hard to discuss to subject on the level it deserves.
Try exorcism....... :)
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"Shut up, the power of Christ compels you!"
Like that?
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"Shut up, the power of Christ compels you!"
Like that?
No, they don't usually say "Shut up"
It's usually "Be quiet" or "Be silent" ye. The power etc etc.
They never say "Shut up". Thats what you say to your wife. Not to someone like yer man. Thats why it ain't working.
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"Shut up, the power of Christ compels you!"
Like that?
Oh so that's his book....... the book of revelations......
(By the way that was quite funny. ;D )
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Civvy, Have you learned nothing in your time in the fire service about equality and diversity. You need to cater for the fact that David may be a religion that believes that Christ was a prophet and not the son of God. Please repost taking other religions into account forthwith.
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Look, its me attempting the exorcism. Don't expect any sort of climb down on diversity issues. The power of David Icke compels you.
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David appears to be famous http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owJsHhYX7aI&feature=related