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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Fire Safety => Topic started by: nearlythere on June 16, 2011, 07:45:14 AM

Title: FSO and buildings under construction or renovation.
Post by: nearlythere on June 16, 2011, 07:45:14 AM

Was this touched on at one time?
Does a building under construction or renovation tick the boxes as being a relevant premises under the FSO?
Or does it come under CDM entirely?

Title: Re: FSO and buildings under construction or renovation.
Post by: wee brian on June 16, 2011, 10:37:38 AM

Its covered by both - read HSG 168

Title: Re: FSO and buildings under construction or renovation.
Post by: CivvyFSO on June 16, 2011, 11:26:27 AM

In England and Wales the RRFSO applies in full. If the construction is self-contained, then the HSE enforce the RRFSO, if the construction affects an occupied building then the FRS is the enforcing authority. In the latter option the FRS also enforce 3 regulations under the CDM regs.

In reality, most of what the CDM covers will take account of the normal requirements of the RRFSO, but I do not think that the CDM regs take 'relevant persons' into account, the regs only really look after the persons within the site. I do not think that the HSE have the slightest interest in enforcing the RRFSO in construction sites, as while people are getting hit by bricks, falling off scaffolding, chopping their fingers off etc, they have much bigger fish to fry.

Title: Re: FSO and buildings under construction or renovation.
Post by: wee brian on June 16, 2011, 01:18:05 PM

On the contrary the've prioritised fire safety and have come down on a few contractors in ways that most FRss could only dream of.

This was in response to the incidents in London with Timber Framed sites roasting adjacent buildings.

Like I said, read HSG 168

Title: Re: FSO and buildings under construction or renovation.
Post by: Northern Uproar on June 17, 2011, 11:18:28 AM

Recent experience has shown that where there are no provisions for offsite fire spread, immediate cessation of works followed up by a prohibition notice can be issued  - stopping all works relating to the timber frame - even delivering materials on site.

Title: Re: FSO and buildings under construction or renovation.
Post by: wee brian on June 17, 2011, 01:09:17 PM

There you go.

Title: Re: FSO and buildings under construction or renovation.
Post by: tmprojects on June 17, 2011, 11:20:53 PM

N'uproar. Am i right in assuming the HSE are enforcing? And would you mind elaborating a little?  I completely understand if you can't for any reason.

I only ask because it seems a very interesting scenario.

Title: Re: FSO and buildings under construction or renovation.
Post by: wee brian on June 20, 2011, 09:53:24 AM

They publish details of all notices on the web

http://www.hse.gov.uk/notices/

Select construction and then search for the word fire in the notice summaries.

Title: Re: FSO and buildings under construction or renovation.
Post by: Davo on June 20, 2011, 11:30:45 AM

wee brian

I am hoping to retire soon, is there a quicker way ???

davo

Title: Re: FSO and buildings under construction or renovation.
Post by: wee brian on June 20, 2011, 01:52:11 PM

You can retire quite quickly these days. Especially if you're in the public sector. Why the hurry?