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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Fire Safety => Topic started by: Chris Houston on July 08, 2005, 09:31:43 AM

Title: Fire Fighting Lifts
Post by: Chris Houston on July 08, 2005, 09:31:43 AM

When are these needed in a building?

Title: Fire Fighting Lifts
Post by: wee brian on July 08, 2005, 10:43:47 AM

AD B says - In buildings over 18m tall.  plus some lower rise industrial buildings - its all in B5 of ADB

Title: Fire Fighting Lifts
Post by: Chris Houston on July 08, 2005, 10:56:58 AM

Many thanks for your straightforward answer.

Title: Fire Fighting Lifts
Post by: messy on July 08, 2005, 12:15:50 PM

isn't there something about FF lifts in basements >10m deep?

Title: Fire Fighting Lifts
Post by: Chris Houston on July 08, 2005, 01:05:56 PM

No worries, it's just a simple building.

Title: Fire Fighting Lifts
Post by: ian gough on July 09, 2005, 03:50:56 PM

Firefighting shafts - see BS 5588 part 5: 2004. Should be provided in:
1.) deep basements (more than 10m);
2.) tall buildings (more than 18m);
3.) buildings of a height more than 11m but les than 18m (but you don't need a lift or ventilated lobby);
4.) buildings intended to be used for shops, factories or storage where the top floor is higher than 7.5m and floor area not less than 900sqms;
5.) buildings where there are 2 or more basements each with floor area more than 900sqms.

Title: Fire Fighting Lifts
Post by: wee brian on July 09, 2005, 10:22:26 PM

Now we see the worms falling from the opened can

5588 Part 5 does include recomendations for FF shafts but these are, in some cases more onerous than the Building Regs -ADB.

The new standard has no legal status.

Title: Fire Fighting Lifts
Post by: ian gough on July 11, 2005, 03:15:18 PM

Chris,
Sorry, I should have added, re my list above, that only in cases 1 & 2 should the firefighting shaft include a lift. Not to say that it might not be useful in other circumstances..
Brian, ..errr...yes; however BS 5588 - 5: 2004 does state that it covers more than those matters covered by Building Regs e.g. property protection etc.

Title: Fire Fighting Lifts
Post by: wee brian on July 12, 2005, 09:02:21 AM

I think Chris has his complete answer now, that's teamwork.

Title: Fire Fighting Lifts
Post by: fireftrm on July 12, 2005, 10:32:43 AM

Sorry for the flipancy, it must be the heat.

Whilst a brilliant idea I have never quite understood how these lifts fight fires? Anyone help?

Title: Fire Fighting Lifts
Post by: Apollo_SG on November 05, 2005, 01:26:23 PM

the fire lifts are essentially used by fire fighters for both fire-fighting and rescue operations.

for internal fire-fighting, the fire-fighters will establish themselves 2 floors under the fire floor (also known as staging floor), rescue operation will be carried out on both the fire floor and the next 2 upper floors (also known as  staging floor).

one of the senior fire-fighter will be stationed on the lower staging floor and man the operations / monitor/ control of fire-fighters carrying breathing apparatus.

usually the fire-fighters will bring their own fire hoses and connect them to the riser on one floor under the fire floor (usually at exit staircase) before entering into the fire zone.

hth