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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Fire Safety => Topic started by: pd on July 09, 2005, 04:22:40 PM

Title: HSE Enforcement
Post by: pd on July 09, 2005, 04:22:40 PM

While we're are on the subject of the RRO, I would value your thoughts on another part of it.

The list of enforcing authorities clearly states that the HSE is the enforcing authority in premises which fall under the Construction (Health Safety and Welfare) Regs. Does this mean that the HSE must enforce the RRO on partially built premises that are not occupied by anyone other than the construction workers?

If that is the case, why are the HSE consulting on a new Construction (Design and Management) Regs 2006 which also contain measures to protect workers from fire. (But not fire fighters)

Title: HSE Enforcement
Post by: pd on July 12, 2005, 08:04:28 PM

Not the most scintilating subject I know...but 0 replies????
Help me out here...please

Title: HSE Enforcement
Post by: PhilB on July 12, 2005, 11:21:58 PM

Yes it does..same as now HSE retain enforcement in scarey places like nuclear installations, ships being repaired in dry docks and constructions sites when only the construction workers are there. If other relevan t persons are affected i.e. when a building is going through a refurbishment the fire authority will look after the safety of non-construction workers.

CDM Regs as I understnd them, deal with general H&S, not specificaly fire. Shouldn't cause a problem as both RRO and proposed Regs will require responsible person to carry out a suitable & sufficient risk assessment and record the significant findings.

The only problem may occur if RRO definition of significant findings differs from HSE guidance. That surely could never happen and if it did respected consultants like Mr Todd don't see a problem...and Mr Todd is an honourable man!

Title: HSE Enforcement
Post by: colin todd on July 13, 2005, 04:51:50 AM

... whose spelling is clearly a lot better than those from a certain educational establishment.

Title: HSE Enforcement
Post by: PhilB on July 13, 2005, 08:22:05 AM

So sorry Colin..what a valid point you make. I'm sure it helped pd no end!

Title: HSE Enforcement
Post by: fred on July 13, 2005, 10:22:04 AM

The new CDM 2006 Regs will replace the CDM 1994 Regs + the Construction Health Safety and Welfare Regs 1996 on 1st October 2006 - depending of course on the response from the consultation process on the draft guidance.  The new guidance will replace the existing ACOP to the 1994 Regs.

Title: HSE Enforcement
Post by: pd on July 13, 2005, 01:13:05 PM

Thanks for the replies...it was getting a bit lonely.

One of my main concerns is that there appears to be nothing within the RRO or the new HSE Regs that would force developers to provide firefighting facilities for firefighters during the construction stage, eg a dry riser in a high rise blg.

Title: HSE Enforcement
Post by: colin todd on July 13, 2005, 08:48:37 PM

That is a matter for building regs, whcih remain unaltered by the RRO.

Title: HSE Enforcement
Post by: dave bev on July 13, 2005, 09:26:22 PM

which are in the process of being revised/reviewed by mr burds gang!
not sure of the stage theyre at though - any news ant?

dave bev

Title: HSE Enforcement
Post by: wee brian on July 13, 2005, 10:17:51 PM

I think PD is worried about fire fighting facilities for use during the construction process. These are not dealt with by building regs but by the construction regs.

I didnt realise that the new CDM regs were going to replace the construction regs.

As for the Part B review you will see that there is a seminar being held at BRE on 27 July to explain the proposals. www.bre.co.uk/adb so it must be pretty soon.

Title: HSE Enforcement
Post by: dave bev on July 14, 2005, 08:41:44 AM

thanks wee b, i stand corrected (should have read the whole topic, not a couple of posts! - could do better it always said on my school report. i still wonder what they meant!!)

i may be at bre then!

dave bev