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FIRE RELATED TRAINING, QUALIFICATIONS AND EXAMS => Continuing Professional Development => Topic started by: kurnal on July 30, 2012, 04:12:20 PM
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The next FRACS CPD event for fire risk assessors will be held at Bristol on 13th November 2012
The event will cover
Fire risk assessment; NHS Fire risk assessment; building sites.
Fire risk assessment templates; debate session.
They will also have several case studies that cover active and passive solutions; so the delegates can learn through others practical experience.
More details to be confirmed at a later date.
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Heres the latest details on the FRACS CPD Day
Fire Risk Assessors Certification Scheme Technical Day
Bristol Golf Club - 13th November 2012
£30 including Vat FRACS registered assessors
£80 including Vat other delegates
9.20 – 9.55 am Registration (Tea/Coffee and hot breakfast bun)
10 – 10.05 am Welcome and House Keeping
Simon Ince: Warrington Certification Limited
10.05 – 10.15 am Chairman’s welcome and address Dave Berry FARMSS
10.15 – 10.45 am False Alarms case studies Simon Adams Gent Honeywell
10.45 – 11.15 am Degraded systems David Ware: Fire Risk Consultants
11.15 – 11.45 am Break (Tea/Coffee and biscuits)
11.45 – 12.15 pm Means of escape Gordon Rolfe: FM Consultancy
12.15 – 12.45 pm NHS fire risk assessments Paul Beech Fagus Fire
12.45 – 1.30 pm Lunch (finger buffet)
1.30 – 2.00 pm Fire protection deficiencies in new built flats Ian Taylor Fraigneux
2.00 – 2.30 pm To be confirmed
2.30 – 2.45 pm Break (Tea/Coffee and scones)
2.45 – 3.30 pm Fire risk assessment templates and their contribution to a quality fire risk assessment (debate)
Paul Beech et al
To book a place contact Jayne Dennett phone 01925 646663 or Simon Ince 01925 646658
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All very interesting. Is it ok if I send our training programme over to you, Big Al since we too provide excellent training courses, which I would be pleased for you to promote. This includes traning in fire risk assessment, fire safety in purpose built blocks of flats, fire alarm standards, fire legislation etc. Just the ticket for fire risk assessors. The next course on purpose built blocks of flats is in Belfast this month, and I would be pleased to offer discounted rates for members of Firenet.
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Colin I would be delighted to list details of any CPD accredited courses aimed at fire risk assessors here. I think we should all do at least 30 hours accredited CPD training per year to promote and maintain professional standards and there is a dearth of training available nationally. This will become an even bigger issue when SP205 arrives. Whether CPD is provided on a commercial basis or not I think this thread is the place to hear about it. Whilst CPD for alarm installers and others is also relevant those sectors are historically far better provided for than fire risk assessors.
Of course there are non profit making organisations doing a great job of providing CPD- the FIA lead the way in this- and the IFE also offer useful CPD training but not necessarily focussed on the fire risk assessor. I know the IFSM also put on technical days but they never seem to state whether the technical content is CPD accredited or not. Thats why I dont currently copy across the content of their publicity emails though I guess I should ask the question. If any provider of CPD would like like their event publicised here they only have to email the details to me and I will look at it in a favourable light.
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Many thanks, Big Al. Just to be clear on the concept of accredited, and ensuring a level playing field, some of our courses are IFE approved, so I suppose that would be OK? Or to be sure all options are open to me, who accredited the FRACS seminar?
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How much for your course for FN members? When? Where? and Why?
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Many thanks, Big Al. Just to be clear on the concept of accredited, and ensuring a level playing field, some of our courses are IFE approved, so I suppose that would be OK? Or to be sure all options are open to me, who accredited the FRACS seminar?
I dont know Colin. All I know is that when I attended one I received a CPD certificate though it did not state who had awarded the CPD points or hours. I am aware that the FIA, as members of the CPD Institute can award their own points to their events. I assume Warrington Certification have some equivalent status but stand to be corrected.
When old Toddy starts asking me questions rather than telling me something its usually to set me up for a fall so I will leave it to those better informed to take this one further.
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The IFSM have very kindly awarded this event CPD hours.
I personally think that you should only claim what you actually learn from the event and this should be recorded on your CPD log sheet. I got a certificate from a CPD event that I attended last month; I learnt nothing new, left the event early, but still got the certificate and the full 3 hours of CPD credit.
Fire professionals should take time to keep good records of CPD which for me includes articles, guidance and standards that have been read. I have for example, recently recommended to 40 plus people that they should read the purpose built flats guidance. Each one of those 40 will get something different from that read and therefore the CPD outcomes should be different for all. Perhaps the author of the guidance would say that to fully appreciate the details everyone should attend one of his excellent training courses at £185 plus Vat. I would say look around for a different provider, you may find it for £150 plus vat and it will have CPD points awarded by the IFSM.
Stop messing around Colin!
It is a useful CPD day for the profession, with a different and hopefully exciting approach. It’s cheap compared to most CPD days, including yours and the non for profit FIA fire risk assessors’ days.
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So for an extra £35 I would get trained by the practice who wrote the Guidance? Sounds great value to me.
Sign me up Colin.
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Ah Piglet you do yourself down, a man of your calibre would surely just need to read the document and not attend a full day training course.
My point was that there are many good training courses and seminars available and Kurnal and firenet are doing the right thing by advertising them to the members. I am sure that there may be a need to set some criteria which will be applied to all the events; but that is surely for the administrator to decide not Colin.
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I appreciate the complement.
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The final speaking slot has now been filled by DR Jim Marsden who will look at 'Risk.....Challenging the enforcers view'
I am sure that will prompt some very lively debate.
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Piglet, As your boss bought the lunches last time round, you will, of course, not be paying the extra £35. Nay, to save you from cheap look-alikes, you will be paying only £145 plus VAT. You have just missed one in Belfast unfortunately. It was very well received, including one member from Firenet, who travelled from England for the event and it was nice to meet after so long. The overall delegate satisfaction score was 98%, probably in part due to the excellent 3 course lunch as provided on our courses.
Any other Firenet members wanting to sign up, should contact me personally at the usual email address. We will be running numerous training courses next year, including a fire risk assessment one day refresher, so we would also be pleased to provide the training programme.
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The last day to book a place on this event is Friday 9th November. Please don't miss out on what promises to be a really interesting day.
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Curses, I am in hospital on 9 November and wont be able to book it. Oh dear, never mind.
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The FRACS day was very well received and was the best FRACS CPD seminar so far. Next year it moves to Leeds October 2nd.
Thanks to those forum members who came along and to the speakers who delivered on the day.
Colin please make sure you have another psychiatric hospital appointment that day; however if they have found a cure for narcissism by then you can have a place. Please take this online narcissism test http://www.0eb.com/ and submit the results to me before requesting a place. I need to know the cure has worked! ;)
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Curses, I am in hospital on 9 November and wont be able to book it. Oh dear, never mind.
What about a video link Dotty? Might brighten up your day.
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Thats a terrible test. Useless. I could devise a much better one and everybody would love it. And mine would be right.
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Thats a terrible test. Useless. I could devise a much better one and everybody would love it. And mine would be right.
Kurnal please seek medical advice ASAP, it seems that you may have caught narcissism from a carrier of this horrible disease.
Have you sat next to anyone recently who may be prone to self pontification?
Take two humility tablets and sit alone in a darkened room till the isolation unit arrives at your door. Hopefully it is just one of those mild and temporary cases not the aggressive and permanent type.
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I think I will wait until the successful SP 205 scheme people do seminars, Kel. After all they must be the kiddies as they now have 500% of the certificated firms of a much less successful tpc scheme that you and I know. Doesnt look good for your Christmas bonus old chap!!!!
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I recall what Steven Adams from Bafe said; ‘we will set it at a standard that will allow people to get in the scheme with a view to tightening it up later’
Do you know how many companies have applied to FRACS and not got in?
I spoke to a fire risk assessor at the reception sponsored by BAFE at the House of Commons yesterday. He said to me ‘yours is the gold standard and the one I am going to go for’. When I told him it is only just set at an appropriate level, he nearly dropped his crudités.
What can I say Colin, if you think success is in numbers; you are barking up the wrong tree. Commercially 205 will be a hit for the CBs I have no doubt. In my honest opinion the CBs are taking on some serious liability, which may come back to bite them hard in the backside.
PS Well done Colin! Your insane narcissistic ramblings have ruined another thread not at all related to what we are posting about now.
Do me and everyone a favor and stop posting.
Unless you do have something useful to say! (none of your posts above have added anything at all)
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Please do not allow this thread to develop into a row. On behalf of our members we are interested in what both of you have to say except when you are both just attacking each other.
Kelsall I would be interested to hear how many have applied and not made the grade.
When did Steven Adams of BAFE say that about SP 205? Is it a matter of public record? How could the standard be tightened later? Would this "tightening up" be in respect of the technical content of fire risk assessments or QMS of the business concerned do you think?
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Hi Kurnal
The thread was about a CPD event for the benefit of fire risk assessors.
It was a good day; offering something different at a very resonable rate.
I am not sure any more needs saying on this thread.
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Your posting begs an important question Kel. What's a crudite. Is it someone who promulgates crudity, a bit like a Blairite. Will we be having them at the training you promised to order from us.