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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Operational => Topic started by: bigun on September 15, 2005, 02:04:33 PM
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Suffolk FRS have appointed a Lieutenant Colonel from an army regiment as their new Deputy Chief Officer and he is to have an operational role. The intention is that he will be sent to a training establishment to learn how to fight fires. Is this the way the future of the FRS is going to be? I wasn't all that impressed with the framework directive and felt that it is a retrograde step. I always fought against 2 tier entry and accelerated promotion. It is a pity that my successors did not do the same or have I got it all wrong?
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The previous Deputy must be spitting feathers. Losing out to a boy for the chief's job, then being replaced by a soldier!
What next for Suffolk, I wonder?
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I look forward to reading his (surprise it is a 'he') posts in the many debates had on this site!
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I hate to say it but you will probably find he is more highly trained in strategic Incident Management than a lot of our current DCO's and I am certain he could carry out this function to an extremely high standard.
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Well his experience is perhaps more relevant than the last time we discussed this Billy (marketing manager I seem to recall?) so I'm not going to seriously disagree wih you on this either!
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Of course the most famous fire officer of all time was Captain Shaw.
He transfered to the Brigade from the Army (keeping the title captain because it sounded good). he had no formal training but did invent some.
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I once heard a SDO who had very little service and even less operational experience, asked by a Firefighter- "So- Have you ever been on the end of a branch and actually put a fire out"!
He replied- "I don't need to have put out fires, but I do need to make sure you have the proper equipment, training and procedures in place so you can put out fires"
On this point, he was totally correct and even the firefighters agreed with him and admired his honesty!
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havent we had this discussion? and no doubt will have many more!
dave bev
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Oh yes I know of a particualr Dep who runs a flower arranging class at lunch time. Been on the end of a branch.....errrrm.......no......legal wizz.........oh yes. CFO never goes anywhere without her.
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I'll bet he doesn't!!!!!!!
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Strange that suffolk are having so many problems at the moment. Doing things like this at a time when we are supposed to be 'modernising' its no wonder that Suffolks Ffs have low morale and industrial relations are at a very low point.
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I am doing training for Suffolk over the next two days, and I am sure things there are not as bad as portrayed.
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Lets hope so colin.
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Well, Peter M'Boy. I have to report that rarely in my life have I come across such a keen, bright and enthusiastic group of young fire safety officers. If its people like that who are to enforce the RRO, we can be optimistic. A week after the training, one young lad was even able to do a short lecture on how to assess whether a fire alarm system has sufficient standby capacity in Ampere-hours.
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most of the officers we see have come via the tng school & fire saftey,& are not keen to attend jobs never mind run them,2 tier bring it on i say it can not be worsethan at the moment!!!!!
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Hello All,
this is my first post. Just to make you aware that Strathclyde have had an accountant as they're Dep for the last couple of years. But she must be great because she was awarded the Queens Fire service medal this year.
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most of the officers we see have come via the tng school & fire saftey,& are not keen to attend jobs never mind run them,2 tier bring it on i say it can not be worsethan at the moment!!!!!
Can't say I agree with this comment entirely, I am just in the process of starting as a training instructor having over 13 years as an operational firefighter and junior officer. i am not taking a promotion, only a sideways move purely and simply because I fancy a change for a couple of years. See my comments on beds and you'll see what type of J.O. I am. After my time in training, I will most certainly be hoping for an operational role once again.
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I agree with Kaiser, I spent 3 very enjoyable years at the training centre and love being operational again. I am of the opinion people should go and try another skill within the Fire Service to gain more experience that will help out when back in the operational arena.
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A spell in fire safety definitely made me a better junior officer when I returned to Ops. You look at the buildings you are dealing with rather more critically.
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A spell in fire safety definitely made me a better junior officer when I returned to Ops. You look at the buildings you are dealing with rather more critically.
Yep-FS has given me the knowledge to understand how a buildings features can help protect my FF & and make operational use of when tackling a fire
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Lincolnshire have recently appointed an ex-Lieutenant Colonel as an ACO, and a civilian who reportedly had been in a serior position with a local Police force, until she made a somewhat rapid exit ;-)