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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Fire Safety => Topic started by: colin todd on November 29, 2016, 02:27:05 PM
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Many of you will know that C S Todd and Associates are commissioned by CFOA to draft new guidance for England and Wales (and to some extent for NI) on fire safety in specialized housing, comprising sheltered housing, extra care housing and supported housing (e.g. for small groups of people with learning difficulties or mental health problems).
A third draft is currently in preparation, having taken into account views of stakeholders, such as the housing sector and the FRS on the first and second drafts.
The next stage is to hold one seminar in London and a second seminar in the north to outline the draft to interested stakeholders and receive feedback, so enabling a 4th draft to be produced and made available for public comment. This approach worked well when we drafted the now well recognized guidance on purpose built flats.
Each seminar will be free and of a half day duration. The seminar in the north will probably be on 12 January, while that in London has been confirmed for 16 January, at the HQ of our very good friends the London Fire Brigade.
If anyone with an interest/ knowledge of fire safety in this sector wants to attend, send an email to spechousing@cstodd.co.uk, and we will pass on your details to CFOA, so that you obtain a place.
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Sounds good! and long overdue! ;)
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You old sycophant, "very good friends the London Fire Brigade" you're normally tearing them and all other non Scottish FRS's up for **** **** paper
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You old sycophant, "very good friends the London Fire Brigade" you're normally tearing them and all other non Scottish FRS's up for **** **** paper
Money makes for closer friendships Bruce.
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So it would seem ;)
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They say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but then it is also said that it is the highest form of intelligence; as such, it sometimes goes over people's heads.
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This sounds like a great learning opportunity.
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Please feel free to attend, but it is not so much a learning opportunity as an opportunity for stakeholders to feedback their opinions on the draft guidance before it is finalized.
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Sarcasm...yeah right :)
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They say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but then it is also said that it is the highest form of intelligence; as such, it sometimes goes over people's heads.
I adjust my wit for the company I keep.
On a serious note as the employee of a large housing association I have requested a place.
Colin, when you say up north do we mean Watford, Birmingham, Manchester or Carlisle?
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Please feel free to attend, but it is not so much a learning opportunity as an opportunity for stakeholders to feedback their opinions on the draft guidance before it is finalized.
Is there a draft out to read then?
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Don't know - I made my little contribution of random thoughts early in the process but was dissapointed not to have been sent any drafts for my trouble.
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Don't know - I made my little contribution of random thoughts early in the process but was dissapointed not to have been sent any drafts for my trouble.
Yep same here said my bit, got a reply but nothing else. Last time we got to see the flats guide before going to the consultation seminar.
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Patience, patience. The first draft was considered by the editorial group to whom we are responsible. Having taken their comments, and those of a number of chums, into account, a second draft was submitted to the CFOA Higher Risk Accommodation Task Group, who had until the end of November to comment. We are now just finalizing a third draft, which we hope the editorial group will sign off for wider release on 19 December.
It is the version agreed on 19 December that we will be outlining at these two seminars, so that we can obtain feedback from further stakeholders, following which a fourth draft will be made available for public comment.
Suppers, Watford is a boring place and south of anywhere that matters. Birmingham is a place where they carve up drivers on their urban motorways as a sport. Carlisle is difficult to find on the map, but I believe it is a row of shops frequented by those residents of D&G who do not want to go to Glasgow. The northern seminar is currently planned for the home of our very very very good special friends GMC, who have very kindly offered to host it, as they did the northern flats guide seminar. Manchester is of course half way to Scotland and it rains a lot but the people are very friendly and I always liked the paintings of Lowry.
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What's wrong with NI? We could follow it up with a belated Forum Xmas Bash.
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Only 6 people live in NI, Almost, plus some parts of the guide will not apply to NI.
The roadshows are now fixed for 12 January at Manchester and 16 January at the home of our very good friends the LFB. Both services are kindly hosting these events and providing coffee.
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Only 6 people live in NI, Almost, plus some parts of the guide will not apply to NI.
The roadshows are now fixed for 12 January at Manchester and 16 January at the home of our very good friends the LFB. Both services are kindly hosting these events and providing coffee.
I do a lot of work in the UK and Scotland Dot.
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...Suppers, Watford is a boring place and south of anywhere that matters...
What a dreadful thing for the Laird of Farnham to say... what will his serfs think?
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...Suppers, Watford is a boring place and south of anywhere that matters...
What a dreadful thing for the Laird of Farnham to say... what will his serfs think?
He ain't got any Fishy.
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Almost, never wishing to be pedantic, but NI was in the UK last time I looked.
I dont actually live in Farnham, but in the hamlet of Rushmoor, a protectorate of the Scottish Empire and of course many miles from London, though her indoors and I will travel to the Great Metropolis for the LFB Christmas Carol concert next week, for which I have my Hark the Herald Angels pitch perfect through constant practice.
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I dont actually live in Farnham, but in the hamlet of Rushmoor, a protectorate of the Scottish Empire and of course many miles from London, though her indoors and I will travel to the Great Metropolis for the LFB Christmas Carol concert next week, for which I have my Hark the Herald Angels pitch perfect through constant practice.
"Laird of Rushmoor" has a lovely ring to it. Not sure the populace of Surrey would agree that they needed to be 'protected' by the Scots, though...
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Almost, never wishing to be pedantic, but NI was in the UK last time I looked.
I dont actually live in Farnham, but in the hamlet of Rushmoor, a protectorate of the Scottish Empire and of course many miles from London, though her indoors and I will travel to the Great Metropolis for the LFB Christmas Carol concert next week, for which I have my Hark the Herald Angels pitch perfect through constant practice.
NI. Never known you to be Pedantic Dot.
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For those wishing to attend the London seminar, as it is now fully subscribed, our extra special bestest friends LFB are hosting a second seminar in the afternoon, so creating a further 100 places.
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Received an email today confirming a place and a copy of draft guide. Plenty of reading
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Nah, just a bit of after dinnertime reading before you go to bed, Suppers.
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All places on the second London seminar are now taken as well. Could everyone who has booked a place please try to read the Guide before attending as the purpose is NOT to give a teach in on the recommendations of the Guide (which may change anyway), but to receive feedback from stakeholders as to any amendments that are perceived to be required.
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All places on the second London seminar are now taken as well. Could everyone who has booked a place please try to read the Guide before attending as the purpose is NOT to give a teach in on the recommendations of the Guide (which may change anyway), but to receive feedback from stakeholders as to any amendments that are perceived to be required.
I emailed CFOA about 3 weeks ago expressing an interest in attending the event and asked for details. What happened? Nothing!
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Received an email today confirming a place and a copy of draft guide. Plenty of reading
I too received my invite to the SpecialiSed Housing Roadshow along with my copy of the draft SpecialiZed Housing Guide; left me thinking "which witch is which". ???
Any English experts "Specialised" or "Specialized"?
Answers on the back of a postcards please. ;)
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Received an email today confirming a place and a copy of draft guide. Plenty of reading
I too received my invite to the SpecialiSed Housing Roadshow along with my copy of the draft SpecialiZed Housing Guide; left me thinking "which witch is which". ???
Any English experts "Specialised" or "Specialized"?
Answers on the back of a postcards please. ;)
Something to do with the origin of the word. It's all Greek to me.
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Almost, you should have asked us and we would have directed your enquiry to the right people in CFOA. There are still places in Manchester if you are quick.
Idol, the OED rules used to be that if a word had a Greek route you could ONLY use the z form for ize. However, no one learns Greek any more, so they relaxed the rule a bit and changed it to one along the lines that, where there is a choice, the Z form is the OED preferred, but the ise is a second form of spelling. The entire guide is written with the ize form, as OED is our own preferred style, though we do let the team ise ise if they really want to. However , for formal published work such as this we stick to OED.
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Idol, the OED rules used to be that if a word had a Greek route you could ONLY use the z form for ize. However, no one learns Greek any more, so they relaxed the rule a bit and changed it to one along the lines that, where there is a choice, the Z form is the OED preferred, but the ise is a second form of spelling. The entire guide is written with the ize form, as OED is our own preferred style, though we do let the team ise ise if they really want to. However , for formal published work such as this we stick to OED.
Colin, you will appreciate that I'm old school fire service and therefore no great scholar but, whilst I am eternally grateful for your explanation, it's still all Greek to me. ;)
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Almost, you should have asked us and we would have directed your enquiry to the right people in CFOA. There are still places in Manchester if you are quick.
Idol, the OED rules used to be that if a word had a Greek route you could ONLY use the z form for ize. However, no one learns Greek any more, so they relaxed the rule a bit and changed it to one along the lines that, where there is a choice, the Z form is the OED preferred, but the ise is a second form of spelling. The entire guide is written with the ize form, as OED is our own preferred style, though we do let the team ise ise if they really want to. However , for formal published work such as this we stick to OED.
I think my answer did fit on the back of a postcard.
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You may have noticed that all British standards use the ize form.
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Almost, you should have asked us and we would have directed your enquiry to the right people in CFOA. There are still places in Manchester if you are quick.
Idol, the OED rules used to be that if a word had a Greek route you could ONLY use the z form for ize. However, no one learns Greek any more, so they relaxed the rule a bit and changed it to one along the lines that, where there is a choice, the Z form is the OED preferred, but the ise is a second form of spelling. The entire guide is written with the ize form, as OED is our own preferred style, though we do let the team ise ise if they really want to. However , for formal published work such as this we stick to OED.
I think my answer did fit on the back of a postcard.
Yes Manchester would do me. Is that in England?
What do I do?
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Yes Manchester would do me. Is that in England?
What do I do?
NT there's definitely one place available at Manchester tomorrow because my +1 has let me down at short notice; if all else fails you'll have to pretend to be my friend.
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Productive morning at the Manchester event.
Plenty of discussion points - Loft spaces, scooters, person centred risk assessments and alarm systems.
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Yes Manchester would do me. Is that in England?
What do I do?
NT there's definitely one place available at Manchester tomorrow because my +1 has let me down at short notice; if all else fails you'll have to pretend to be my friend.
Tomorrow? Not possible now.
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Productive morning at the Manchester event.
Plenty of discussion points - Loft spaces, scooters, person centred risk assessments and alarm systems.
Agreed it was a good seminar, in the finest F&RS in the land, well done Colin ;)
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I dont recall being in Scotland, Wullie????? But GMC did us proud, no doubt. Shame Almost couldnt make it. Suppers looks even older in the flesh.
Almost, if you want to come to London on Monday, we can probably slip you in the back door, but you would need to let me know really soon, and stop working to Norn Iron time.
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I dont recall being in Scotland, Wullie????? But GMC did us proud, no doubt. Shame Almost couldnt make it. Suppers looks even older in the flesh.
Almost, if you want to come to London on Monday, we can probably slip you in the back door, but you would need to let me know really soon, and stop working to Norn Iron time.
I did email your office and asked for info Dot but guess what? No reply.
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I dont recall being in Scotland, Wullie????? But GMC did us proud, no doubt. Shame Almost couldnt make it. Suppers looks even older in the flesh.
Almost, if you want to come to London on Monday, we can probably slip you in the back door, but you would need to let me know really soon, and stop working to Norn Iron time.
Unable to make Monday at such short notice Dot. My services are required elsewhere.
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All requests for info were passed on to CFOA, who did the admin for these events.
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Almost, you are probably not disadvantaged greatly by your desire to be nearly elsewhere. The purpose of these roadshows is not to provide training or CPD but to obtain views of the stakeholders regarding what is in the current draft. As a result of the Mcr roadshow, we are currently making around 10-20 changes to the text.
Once further changes are made in response to feedback that will no doubt arise at the roadshows tomorrow, a fourth draft will be made available for public comment via the CFOA website. Comments on that draft should be made via a comments template on which commentators are asked to propose specific changes to wording. These comments should go to us at spechousing@cstodd.co.uk.
A fifth and final draft will then go for consideration by the editorial group, who represent enforcing authorities, the housing sector, etc.
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All requests for info were passed on to CFOA, who did the admin for these events.
It aint much good at this admin thing is it?
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Almost, you are probably not disadvantaged greatly by your desire to be nearly elsewhere. The purpose of these roadshows is not to provide training or CPD but to obtain views of the stakeholders regarding what is in the current draft. As a result of the Mcr roadshow, we are currently making around 10-20 changes to the text.
Once further changes are made in response to feedback that will no doubt arise at the roadshows tomorrow, a fourth draft will be made available for public comment via the CFOA website. Comments on that draft should be made via a comments template on which commentators are asked to propose specific changes to wording. These comments should go to us at spechousing@cstodd.co.uk.
A fifth and final draft will then go for consideration by the editorial group, who represent enforcing authorities, the housing sector, etc.
Thanks Dot. Can CFOA be trusted with this?
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I make no comment about our client, CFOA. I am sure others will judge them.
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Idol, the OED rules used to be that if a word had a Greek route you could ONLY use the z form for ize. However, no one learns Greek any more, so they relaxed the rule a bit and changed it to one along the lines that, where there is a choice, the Z form is the OED preferred, but the ise is a second form of spelling. The entire guide is written with the ize form, as OED is our own preferred style, though we do let the team ise ise if they really want to. However , for formal published work such as this we stick to OED.
Colin, unfortunately my version of the final published work does not appear to stick to the OED. :-\ #justsaying
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Idol, See comment in post directly before your post.
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Colin,
This is what happens when enforcers assume control of the standards and guidance to which they enforce; power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Nah, it is not a conspiracy theory to which you need to look. Absolutely poor English educational standards corrupt the English language. U No wot aye meen?
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Nah, it is not a conspiracy theory to which you need to look. Absolutely poor English educational standards corrupt the English language. U No wot aye meen?
Yes Colin, I do know what you mean, but perhaps it is just that the English language is merely continuing to evolve as it has done since ye olde times.
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is evolve a synonym for go downhill?
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Its amost an anagram for Love. We need love in the forum and some flowers to shove down the barrels of Nth Korean rifles.
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My old mum used to say that what small people lack in height they make up for in impertinence.
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That can't be right Mr Todd, no disrespect to your dear mother, but any photos I have seen of you present you as quite tall!