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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Fire Safety => Topic started by: colin todd on February 01, 2017, 11:30:16 PM
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The latest draft of the new guidance is now available for public comment at http://www.cfoa.org.uk/21972
The draft can be downloaded from the CFOA website. If intending to comment please read the relevant notes on the CFOA website. In particular, any comments should be made on the template provided on the website, and proposals for amendments should be definitive, suggesting specific wording or rewording with reference to specific paragraphs or sections. It will be difficult to deal with comments along the lines.... there should be something said about xyz or whatever.
If any one attended the roadshows and would particularly like a track changes version to show what changes were made after the version circulated to delegates in advance of the roadshows, we can provide this if you email us at spechousing@cstodd.co.uk, which is the email to which the comments should also be sent.
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http://www.cfoa.org.uk/21972 (http://www.cfoa.org.uk/21972)
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Thanks, Suppers.
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Just to remind people, public comment needs to be received by the end of the month. We cannot guarantee that late comments will be able to be taken into account as we are on a strict timetable for publication.
There are 3 items that stand out as being contentious from our consultations and comments received thus far:
1. Compartmentation of roof voids, and the assertion that a fire resisting ceiling across the top floor flats does not do the same job as party walls going through the void. There is only mild arguement against the principle, but the cost of rectification is regarded as an issue, which is why the latest draft talks about it being done in a planned manner. This may take the heat out of it.
2. Removal of telecare from some sheltered housing flats, where residents dont need pull cords and pendants because they are fit and able. Our view is that they still need monitoring of the smoke alarms as that is for safety of everyone else and may well fall within the scope of the FSO. There is actually quite a lot of support for this view from the housing sector and EAs, but some providers see it differently.
3. Standby power supplies and duplicate pumps for suppression systems recommended in the guide, which means systems in all new sheltered housing, but retrofit only in high risk suuported housing where there are not enough staff to evacuate some residents in one hit. To my mind the power supply issue is non-negotiable, but we are interested in public comment on duplicate pumps-positive as well as negative.
More generally, if anyone supports these and any other likely contentious recommendations, a positive comment could be as useful as a negative comment, as it should not be assumed that things people like in the recs will not be reconsidered if the only comments are negative.
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Colski, I have been asked if I know when the guide is likely to be published, could you give me a rough idea please ?
Thanks.
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Bruce Almighty,
April.
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Thanks Colski.
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Nothing is too much trouble for you Bruce Almighty.
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Has the guide been published Colski?
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No Bruce Almighty. There is a short delay occasioned by style requirements of the (now) NFCC. But be patient, elderly gent, and watch this space.
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Thanks Colski.
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No bother, Bruce Almighty.
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BruceAlmighty, in keeping with my solemn promise to you, as a member of the ex crashers of crash gearboxes and sprayers of water society, I hereby inform you of the publication of the wonderful, the amazing, the one and only guide on specialized housing. It is on the NFCC website.
Oh Brucey, it is the most riveting read you will have had since you perused the pages with youthful enthusiasm of such publications as Hook ladders, firemen for the use of, or the Manual on changing the oil of a Dennis F12 ET, or The Skirts for control operators (colour, tightness and length) regulations 1952.
ENJOY!
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Steady on Colski I'm not that old, Dennis F108 to be precise :) thanks for the heads up though,cheers.
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CT thinks we may be half as knowledgeable as him, for those less informed, like me,
Check out https://www.nationalfirechiefs.org.uk/News/nfcc-launches-specialised-housing-guidance and https://cfoaservices.co.uk/attachment/download/link/id/279/
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Colski, on page 203 there is a key to the plans however the plans on pages 205 and 207 do not appear to indicate fire resisting walls in the corridors, am I missing something obvious, to be honest I have only quickly cast my eye over the electronic version.
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Bruce Almighty, the key on page 203 refers to the drawing on that page. In the other drawings to which you refer, the boxes describe the construction, distinguishing between notional and full 30 minutes.
Let me see if can clarify; when you used to change the oil of the Dennis under the watchful eye of the sub-officer, there was a symbol in the schematic of the engine compartment that said water pump. But BruceAlmighty (aka BA) it was talking about the said component for cooling of the engine (which you constantly overran in your haste to return to your card school on Wed evenings, or your snooker for most day shifts or your bed if the fire was after 1700). On a further page of the manual, there was a different water pump, for which the above symbol did not apply, that you used to drown the building and its environs with water to deal with waste skip fires.
Hope this helps. I remain your humble servant.
PS we will be running training courses on the guide for which you, personally, could obtain a discounted rate.
PPS Tam, I never assumed you knew half as much as I.
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Thanks Colski, 203 key, 203 diagram only, cheers :)
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Looking on the CFOA website today for something else and found this. All 342 pages
http://www.cfoa.org.uk/download/67392 (http://www.cfoa.org.uk/download/67392)
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A cracking read, I am sure you will agree, Suppers.
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A cracking read, I am sure you will agree, Suppers.
Will you autograph my copy in Nottingham :)
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Yes, but a small fee will apply.
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Whilst at first glance it may seem a daunting read (it's massive!) if you are likely to need to use it it's well worth trying to get on one of Colin's training/CPD days on it- well worth the day out and helped understand the thoughts behind the guidance as well as it's application.
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You don't seem to have left a small gratuity, Tony. if this is an oversight, let me know and I will give you my bank details for a direct debit.
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You don't seem to have left a small gratuity, Tony. if this is an oversight, let me know and I will give you my bank details for a direct debit.
Will you be blessing us with your presence by running a course in the Midlands or do you not venture that far?
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have car, will travel.