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FIRE SERVICE AND GENERAL FIRE SAFETY TOPICS => Service Training OR Recruitment => Topic started by: Matt Akers on January 12, 2004, 04:20:03 PM
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Does anyone know of any drill books out there? Exercise or just general drill ground drills, any info would be of great help, cheers, Matt
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Well there used to be the official HMSO Fire Service Drill Book full of that stuff, I know it's name & layout/content changed in '94 to the Fire Service Training Manual, removing many of the Standard Tests/Maintenance stuff.
Not sure if it still exists, it was published by the Home Office (fire Services Unit)
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Thanks, trying to rack my brains for new drills and just wondering there might be a book out there.
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The Fire Service Training Manual was revised in 2002 and a copy sent for every station (as far as i am aware) - we certainly have one per stn. There are suggested simulations coming out to allow for demonstration of competence against the NOS. The 'drills' in the training manuals are really intended for new entrants to learn the job with not for station use. My advice is consider ways of inculding different scenarios, built around your station facilities, and also to look outside the station yard........... Nothing beats variety and differnet situations.
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Thanks Fireftrm, we do go off station a lot just looking for those quick drills to get the old grey matter working, a bit like, how to prime the main pump with out using hard suction or LPP……….that sort of thing excising the initiative :lol:
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Well there used to be the official HMSO Fire Service Drill Book full of that stuff, I know it's name & layout/content changed in '94 to the Fire Service Training Manual, removing many of the Standard Tests/Maintenance stuff.
Not sure if it still exists, it was published by the Home Office (fire Services Unit)
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ok, quick quiz - list the reasons a pump may not prime - all you oldies out there you now have a cheace to shine if you can remember that is! LOL
dave bev
i'll start you off
strainer not submerged - next?
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-The lift is too great
- The suction hose is collapsing
- A mechanical problem with the primer
- The strainer is blocked
- A vortex in the water above the strainer...........
Do I win a prize?
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not yet!
mechanical problem with the primer is not detailed enough, also what would cause the vortex? the prpose of the exercise is to identify what the problem is so that it can be rectified, there is a reason in this rhyme!
dave bev
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Is it blank verse?
It would depend on what type of primer or pump, but if a stone(s) got into the suction hose because there was no basket strainer that could cause a mechanical failure.
The vortex could be caused if the basket strainer on the suction wasnt deep enough in the water.
Enough? I'm going to sit here for the present then................
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You forgot to engage the PTO or didnt tighten the lengths of hard suction!
What about priming the Major pump with another major pump, does anyone still practice that? Or using a blanking cap on the hard suction and then dropping the tank?
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princess you need to present your answers in a list format
pete p - good answers so far - again please i want them in good old list formati
p.s. remember nearly losing a blank cap doing just that! could i have been sacked for such a thing under the old candidfbdad discipline regs?
dave bev
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I dont know what a list format is. How about.....
If the suction hose wasnt properly attached to the pump or primer air could get in and it wouldnt suck properly?
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Don't you know Princess, nowt sucks in t'fire brigade. Atmospheric pressure works its magic on an area of low pressure.
And as for a list. Look at your receipt from Victoria's Secret and where it itemises silky folderolls, cami knix, lift 'em up-push 'em out bra, etc, substitute each item with a reason for failing to prime - that's a list.
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Dave
No prime and these symptoms
No vacuum reading:
Faulty primer (no water in, seals leaking, drive wheel worn etc)
Primer not engaged
Leak in suction
Suction couplings loose
Suction not submerged sufficiently (air drawn in through vortex)
Suction strainer blocked
Delivery valve non-return unseated (where del valves open)
Pump casing leaks
Leak on gauge/connection pipes
High vacuum:
Collapsed suction
Suction strainer blocked
Too high a lift
Too long a lift (frictional losses)
Too dense, or hot a liquid (salt water gives a lower lift, warmer water has an effect - yes both minimal but actual)
Blocked internal strainer (though these should be removed when working from open water)
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pugh - your answer could be taken to be a tad sexist - although of course you may suggest that such a list of items could be purchased by anyone. as for nowt sucking in t'fire brigade, i can assure you that some things do!
fireftrm - good list, but then again no more than i would expect from someone in training and as someone in training what about competency of pump operator!! - ps, are you sure you've got them all though? (ps your grouping of 'primer faults' is a cop out LOL)
dave bev
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Ah ha Davey my boy - I am not in training any longer (indeed not for a year now) the 'manager' (formerly known as IPDS manager) was let out! There is life afeter IPDS!
Yes primer faults was a slight grouping - but worn primer drive wheel was put in as a separate one, as was no water in w.ring.........could have included
primer casing split (not uncommon with Water ring type freezing in winter)
sticking valve (ex gas ejector)
springs and caps all over the road (reciprocating)
sticking auto-disengaging valve (water ring usually only fitted with auto-run type))
broken primer lever/cable (manual engagement types)
broken spring (water ring hold-on spring - auto running type)
insufficient exhaust pressure (ejector - exhaust leaks)
leaking inlet hose (water ring)
I could go on, with more boring results, but won't!
Competency of the pump operator is a very good one (I did have primer not engaged - meaning manaul type - so pump operator failure) but didn't go so far as to list this one per se. You are right, though, as most failures I have come across have been due to the pump operator. One of my pet hates is the operators who engage the primer (water ring - main pump) when they have reached 2500rpm on the pump, rather than engage then raise the revs. Lovely smell of burning wheel - seems that this is the way they were taught and it is difficult to change people's ways if they had this drilled (pun intended) into them at training school. It is my experience that the true understanding of pumps and pump operation is generally lacking throughout the service.
I await startled and upset replies.
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Here is another question(in three parts) - good pump operators will find this a piece of cake:
The high pressure gauge (and it is being accurate) shows a reading of 10 bar, while the low pressure (again accurate) shows 5 bar. The high pressure pump is in operation.
a) What is the fault (most likely)
b) What is the cure
c) How did it happen (again most likley)
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fireftm, best let me know where youre working then so i can get you to do some stuff for me!!
dave bev
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trying to keep interest generated.... what was the answer to the last question....