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THE REGULATORY REFORM (FIRE SAFETY) ORDER 2005 => Q & A => Topic started by: jayjay on January 03, 2006, 11:53:14 AM
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I have heard that the Fire Safety order has been delayed till October can any one confirm any official source?
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wouldn't surprise me?
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It's a good rumour, though. (Especially as our temporary head of fire safety's initials are J.J.)
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You may be thinking of the Scottish equivalent, namely the Fire (Scotland) Act, which, according to the Scottish Executive, who are conducting a more open consultation process on the guides than their chums in the ODPM, will not come into force until AT LEAST October.
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Whats clever is that the scots have essentially copied the ODPM guides. So if you want a sneak preview (for those of you who havent blagged an illicit copy) then check out the Scottish consultation docs.
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What a prejudiced view Wee B. I have it on good authority that they did no such thing. They apparently began with a clean sheet of paper. Interestingly enough, they have a much better definition of fire risk than your civil service chums. So, given that the definition of fire risk is different in each, it hardly seems a straight copy.
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Well they may have had a clean sheet to start with but they bunged it into a photcopier shortly afterwards. OK they have fiddled with it a bit but its not hard to see that large chunks are copied (not that its a bad thing - I'm all in favour of consistency).
Perhaps we will all start using it across the UK like the care home guide.
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We have been informed by one of our leaders following his attendance at a secret meeting in Edinburgh that the introduction of part 3, the Fire Safety Regulations has been put back until the 1st October 2006.
We are told this is due to the delay in the preparation of the 11 associated guidance documents.
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This email from a CFOA email address appeared in my mailbox this morning 10th Jan .....
Sent: 09 January 2006 15:03
To: 155 FirePro Contacts; Fire Safety Officers
Subject: RRO legislation deferred to Autumn 2006
Dear Colleague,
Tom Carroll has been informed by Jim Fitzpatrick, Fire Minister, that the Regulatory Reform Order will not come in to force April 2006 as planned.
The legislation will come into effect Autumn 2006.
You may wish to inform relevant staff of the delay.
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Does anyone have any definite information on this possible delay? Any formal announcement anywhere?
It would be mildly useful to know......................
:rolleyes:
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I 've heard (unconfirmed) that an anouncement will be placed on ODPM web site by Friday!
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I spoke to the ODPM this morning who said the official announcement will be made to parliament tomorrow[Thursday]. reasons include:
a Delay in writing guides, delays at printers
b Scotland's simmilar guides have already been held back to October
c Need to incorporate school's BB100 fire code and Dept Heatth Firecode that are both out to consultation
Date now should be in line with October Scotland date
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The main thing is that they follow protocol and tell Parliament before they tell anybody else.
oops.
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You Heard it on Fire Net first
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This website news release may be of interest or perhaps not...............?
http://www.odpm.gov.uk/index.asp?id=1002882&PressNoticeID=2057
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It is good of the ODPM to delay the intoduction of the RR Fire Safety Order to give us more time to consider the guidance but where is the guidance? or should I say consultation documents.
A list of the proposed guides can be found at http://www.odpm.gov.uk/index.asp?id=1162115
but that is all.
Has anyone any information as to when the consultation documents are to be available and also from where, or should we keep watching Scotland for a lead.
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Can anyone confirm that Dof E circular 12/92 is still used for Means of escape for HMO's
Conqueror.
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The answer is no, it was repealed on 6 April with the 1985 Act. Some local authorities have written their own guidance which is remarkably similar and by doing so have tidied up the diagrams of 12/92. I can e mail you a copy of one of them, I think it is the Peak District if you wish. However, they are very prescriptive and how they will stand afetr 1 October is a different question.
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I have been telling some of our borough councils that the RRO sleeping risk guide will be the definitive guide and is the one that we will be referring to in the consultation process. I don't think they're convinced and will probably wait until they lose an appeal.
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jokar & Big A
Thanks very much for your input.......I would appreciate you emailing me. jokar with that info.
Regards
Conqueror.