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PRIVATE INDUSTRY => HealthCare => Topic started by: harley on October 19, 2007, 10:51:28 AM
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I am a Fire Safety Advisor with an NHS Trust.
After two appeals against my original grading under A4C of 6(4) I was regraded to 6(6).
I was notified by letter of this grading and the letter was accompanied by a new contract.
Both clearly state that the new grading was backdated to my starting date with the Trust and that payment arrears would follow later.
The pay arrears were considerably less than I expected and when I challenged this I was informed that both my new contract and the covering letter contained typographical errors and I should have been graded at 6(5) from my start date which rose to 6(6) after my first year in post.
I would welcome opinions as to whether an employer can legally cite 'typographical errors' some 8 months after a contract has been accepted and signed.
Many thanks in advance.
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8 months after acceptance and signing? Not in Scotland. The contract terms are agreed and there has been 8 months of acquiescence.
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Quick update.
The Trust I work for has advertised for a H&S Manager at 8A, yet refuses to see its Fire Safety Advisor at any higher than 6(5).
There are very few differences in the job description and responsibilities.
I am of the opinion that the NHS gets away with paying its Fire Safety Advisors at below the going rate as most of us are retired LA fire officers on a pension.
Could I ask what grade other Fire Safety Advisors are working at?
Many thanks again.
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i am a band 6 starting at the bottom
my old boss at another nhs is on a band 7
i have seen band 5 advertised.
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I just started Band 5 point 9
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When AforC first came out most Fire Advisors were allocated a Band 5, then, following mass appeals, most were upgraded to a Band 6. A lot of Fire Safety Managers, the old Nominated Officer (Fire), are usually a Band 7 or even 8A, even though 95% of the Fire Safety Managers role is covered by the Fire Advisor.
As an example my Trust, when doing the job description exercise quoted the Fire Safety Manager job specification as being the closest with the caviate "Do Not Use"
Now things have settled down I notice most jobs are advertised as a band 6, often with a security aspect to the job description
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I just started Band 5 point 9
pardon my ignorance on this subject because I'm a newcomer to this job....just waiting to get a start date... but doesn't Band 5 start at Point 17 as in this
Band 5
Point 17 £20,225
Point 18 £20,818
Point 19 £21,373
Point 20 £22,085
Point 21 £22,797
Point 22 £23,450
Point 23 £24,103
Point 24 £25,054
Point 25 £26,123
I'm on Band 5...bottom point 17...I think!
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Can anyone point me in the direction of where I can find evidence of the original banding for advisors being 5 and then upgraded to 6?...I am on band 5...originally given increment 1...now I am on band 5 increment 3 after a lot of persuasion!...incidently I am on my own in the fire safety field in a largish hospital
would anyone be able to advise on the wording for any appeal...ie a template
Thanks
ps...just found this where it grades a FSA as Band 5
http://www.nhsemployers.org/PayAndContracts/AgendaForChange/NationalJobProfiles/Documents/Estates_and_Maintenance.pdf
Job Title Fire Safety Officer
Job Statement: 1. Provides advice on fire safety issues.
2. Liaises with local government, Fire Brigade, Health and Safety Executive on fire
precautions.
3. Ensures that the Fire Brigade is informed of any work that may affect the fire safety of
any building.
4. Makes application for Fire Certificates and ensures compliance with fire safety notices
Factor Relevant Job Information JE Level
1. Communication &
Relationship skills
Provide & receive complex information, negotiating skills
Exchanges specialist information with specialists, non-specialists; negotiates
with contractors, suppliers, statutory agencies, utility companies
4(a)
2. Knowledge, Training
& Experience
Expertise within a specialism, underpinned by theoretical knowledge.
Knowledge of fire safety policies, procedures and practices; acquired through
specialist training in fire safety and management plus significant experience in
the fire safety industry to degree equivalent level
5
3. Analytical &
Judgement skills
Complex facts or situations, requiring analysis, interpretation and
comparison of a range of options
Applies correct fire strategy solution to fire design plans for new and old
buildings, keeps all areas up to current standards.
4
4. Planning &
Organisational skills
Plan, organise complex activities, requiring formulation, adjustment
Plans risk assessments, site meetings, co-ordinates meetings with Fire
Brigade and contractors, training programmes
3
5. Physical Skills Physical skills obtained through practice
Driving, standard keyboard skills, use of fire equipment
2
6. Responsibility for
Patient/client care
Assist patients/clients during incidental contacts
Incidental contact with patients; provides fire safety training to patients/clients
1-2
7. Responsibility for
Policy/Service
development
Implement policies, propose changes, impact beyond own area
Develops and implements fire safety policies
3
8. Responsibility for
Financial and Physical
resources
Authorised signatory; hold delegated budget
Purchases; holds budget for fire safety, equipment, signage
3(d)
9. Responsibility for
Human Resources
Provide specialist training
Delivers fire safety training
3(c)
10. Responsibility for
Information Resources
Record personally generated information
Update fire safety records
1
11. Responsibility for
research & development
Occasionally/ regularly undertake R&D activity.
Complex risk assessments and audits
1-2(a)
12. Freedom to act Clearly defined/ broad occupational policies
Works within fire safety policies, procedures, work is managed rather than
supervised/ lead specialist in fire safety
3-4
13. Physical effort Light physical effort for several long periods per shift
Walking for long periods when undertaking risk assessments
2(c)
14. Mental effort Frequent requirement for concentration, work pattern unpredictable
Concentration for writing reports, interrupted when reacting to an emergency
3(a)
15. Emotional effort Exposure to distressing circumstances is rare/occasional
Contact with patients on wards, deals with complaints
1-2(a)
16. Working conditions Occasional unpleasant conditions
Dust, heat from plant rooms
2(a)
JE Score/Band JE Score 364-393 Band 5
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I just started Band 5 point 9
can I ask if you worked in the NHS before? I was told that you are only allow to start one below the second gateway if you have no NHS experience...which is increment 6 of the banding