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Title: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Dinnertime Dave on December 20, 2010, 01:34:09 PM
Just been made aware of this statement from CFOA - Good news or bad?

The Chief Fire Officers' Association (CFOA) is not surprised with the decision announced today by Bob
Neill MP, the Minister for Fire, to end the FiReControl project. The project designed to set up 9 regional
control centres to handle all 999 fire calls in England has been beset by difficulties from the outset. Peter
Holland, CFOA President said, "Despite the best efforts of fire professionals in attempting to assist both
CLG and EADS in developing a resilient mobilising and operational asset management solution for the
Fire and Rescue Service, the project has failed to deliver on time, cost and quality."
CFOA will now be pressing CLG as a matter of urgency to secure appropriate funding to deliver
alternative resilient fire control systems and facilities. CFOA wishes to ensure that equipment which has
already been delivered to services by the project remains in place including mobile data terminals in fire
appliances. CFOA also wants to see delivery of many of the other benefits that would have been
provided by the regional control project but at a lower cost and reduced complexity. To this end, CFOA
will be seeking an early meeting with the Minister to explore the implications of this decision and will
continue to support Chief Fire Officers throughout England to deliver improvements in what are
unprecedented times.
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Golden on December 20, 2010, 02:25:28 PM
I think that I ought to wait until after the 'watershed' to post what I really think about the whole mess and the project management by the government and the fire service! I believe the concept of regional controls was sound and that in these technically advanced times the issue of local knowledge has been superseded. However from what I have seen the technology wasn't the cutting edge/future proof solution that was originally promised. This project has been a mess and should have been pulled years ago to save even more money from being wasted.

The basic problem with regionalisation (in general not just with control) is that very few councils want to give away their autonomy and will resist any attempts by central government to interfere. This has also happened with the integrated clothing project and Firebuy which have both failed.

A link to the CLG statement:

http://www.communities.gov.uk/news/corporate/1803622 (http://www.communities.gov.uk/news/corporate/1803622)
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Mike Buckley on December 21, 2010, 12:03:10 PM
I agree that the concept was sound, but there were too many vested interests opposed to the project, not just the councils.

The battle has been won but the outcome of the war is still undecided. It will be interesting to see if the government attempt to revive the project in a few years time and the tactics they will use to achieve their goal.
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Clevelandfire 3 on December 21, 2010, 09:47:13 PM
Im glad to hear that this sorry mess and catastophically expensive white elephant sponsored by Gordon Brown through the CLG (Dept for Complete Lies and Guff) is at an end. What a mess. I think someone should be sent to prison for all the wasted cash. And we wonder why the country is in a mess.
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: kurnal on December 22, 2010, 08:34:35 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12042563
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: facades on January 17, 2011, 09:59:25 AM
Consultation document published on future of control rooms  ::) www.info4fire.com
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: nearlythere on January 18, 2011, 04:15:37 PM
Consultation document published on future of control rooms  ::) www.info4fire.com
You mean they won't have to take pizza orders any more during slack periods?
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Midland Retty on January 18, 2011, 05:21:15 PM
Ive heard "AssetzRus.Co" (I think thats what they are called atleast) want to subcontract fire control staff to act as their call centre agents during slack periods

Afterall it won't be long before that "AssetzRus.Co" will be selling everything from Car Insurance to faux pas Daleks, and running everything from your local supermarket to the Military you know.

Nurse Im out of bed again!!
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Clevelandfire 3 on January 20, 2011, 12:53:01 AM
Come on. Thats ridiculous. Actually no you could be right. Kind of scary to think what might be. Even more so if you look at their website. Im suprised Colin Todd hasn't gone off on one.
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Davo on January 20, 2011, 11:48:13 AM
No "For Sale" sign on our local one yet ::)

davo
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Psuedonym on January 30, 2011, 04:56:59 PM
Excellent. Been after a nice big, empty, secure, storage unit for a while.......
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Davo on September 01, 2013, 02:49:50 PM
Wakefield white elephant update

A sale has been agreed, an unnamed government department,no other details yet


davo
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Dinnertime Dave on September 21, 2013, 03:10:30 PM

 Latest news to the west midland regional control room-

 http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2013/09/21/scrapped-wolverhampton-fire-control-centre-to-be-used-at-last/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2013/09/21/scrapped-wolverhampton-fire-control-centre-to-be-used-at-last/)

Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: colin todd on October 03, 2013, 12:43:23 AM
Who would have ever wanted a regional control in the West Mids.  Only Retters would understand "yow goot a foy-er wer, duck".  Get the Rack and the Union boys voting for a national control in Inverness.  (Oh no, how would that work-in Scotland they still dispatch fire appliances to fires.)
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Midland Retty on October 03, 2013, 12:03:10 PM
Wers dow say "duck" 'rowund' here, our kid, yowm thinkin ov that Kurnal 'blowke' up north ay ya !

Besides its nice to have wild exotic animals roaming around your door step - the presence of that big white elephant is quite a spectacle!
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: nearlythere on October 03, 2013, 12:43:49 PM
How much is this whole sorry saga costing?

Just as well the government is paying for this fiasco and not the taxpayer.
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Midland Retty on October 03, 2013, 04:40:03 PM
If you are to believe my local rag the West Midlands CC is costing £5,000 per day (rent, running costs etc).

Absolute shambles, and as always no one gets hauled over the coals for such an enormous waste of cash.

Ultimately the tax payer is footing the bill, whichever way you look at it.
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Dinnertime Dave on October 03, 2013, 05:05:12 PM
Wers dow say "duck" 'rowund' here, our kid, yowm thinkin ov that Kurnal 'blowke' up north ay ya !

Besides its nice to have wild exotic animals roaming around your door step - the presence of that big white elephant is quite a spectacle!

Has Kurnal moved to Stoke? It's the Stokies what say duck.
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: kurnal on October 03, 2013, 05:22:56 PM
DD
Eyup mi duck! We talk proper in Derbyshire too.

Mah bruther Brian allus wair a cross grained mortal. Dunner axe mey why, burree cum inter t'wold scraytin and ey allus witteled lahk an ockud babbi. If wey ad cumpny ey'd ide be'ind t'sofa or goo an sit on t'stairs. T'daft twollop dossna show is fizzog. Ah cun mind it wair allus mey as ad ter do t'wok, cos ey ayther cudna or wudna, and ey allus boggered it up anyah. Ah'd ay ter dab in else ah'd gerra cleat, burree wuddna lissen. Mi mam wair too soft ; shey coddled im ter much. Ey wair brillyunt at gerin issen inter trubble. Ey'd gerrup in t'mornin an gerron aht ter plee wi'aht ote t'ate. Ey'd goo all over t'village uptut rec., dahn inter t'woods, gerrin inter faights. Wun dee ey brok a winder an that Mrs 'enshaw cum trar aas all of a mucksweat. All dreesed up shay wair lahk a thoty bob piss-pot.  'Ey up, sorry yowl coppit nah.' Ah sez t'im, but mi mam made aht it wair an accident an mi fayther ad ter pay up.
Ey dint arf ate skewl. Fost dee, after ey'd cum ome fer is dinner mi mam sez it wair time to goo back. Ey lowked gone aht at er, 'Av ah gorra goo agin, ahv bin.' That fair knocked is duck off.  Wen ay lonned ter rate, ey once writ is name Brain, so wey all ad a good laff.
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: nearlythere on October 03, 2013, 05:52:23 PM
DD
Eyup mi duck! We talk proper in Derbyshire too.

Mah bruther Brian allus wair a cross grained mortal. Dunner axe mey why, burree cum inter t'wold scraytin and ey allus witteled lahk an ockud babbi. If wey ad cumpny ey'd ide be'ind t'sofa or goo an sit on t'stairs. T'daft twollop dossna show is fizzog. Ah cun mind it wair allus mey as ad ter do t'wok, cos ey ayther cudna or wudna, and ey allus boggered it up anyah. Ah'd ay ter dab in else ah'd gerra cleat, burree wuddna lissen. Mi mam wair too soft ; shey coddled im ter much. Ey wair brillyunt at gerin issen inter trubble. Ey'd gerrup in t'mornin an gerron aht ter plee wi'aht ote t'ate. Ey'd goo all over t'village uptut rec., dahn inter t'woods, gerrin inter faights. Wun dee ey brok a winder an that Mrs 'enshaw cum trar aas all of a mucksweat. All dreesed up shay wair lahk a thoty bob piss-pot.  'Ey up, sorry yowl coppit nah.' Ah sez t'im, but mi mam made aht it wair an accident an mi fayther ad ter pay up.
Ey dint arf ate skewl. Fost dee, after ey'd cum ome fer is dinner mi mam sez it wair time to goo back. Ey lowked gone aht at er, 'Av ah gorra goo agin, ahv bin.' That fair knocked is duck off.  Wen ay lonned ter rate, ey once writ is name Brain, so wey all ad a good laff.
Got two lines in and started to push a pencil up each nostril. My spell checker is starting to smoke. What friggin currency is this?
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: nearlythere on October 04, 2013, 07:20:24 AM
DD
Eyup mi duck! We talk proper in Derbyshire too.

Mah bruther Brian allus wair a cross grained mortal. Dunner axe mey why, burree cum inter t'wold scraytin and ey allus witteled lahk an ockud babbi. If wey ad cumpny ey'd ide be'ind t'sofa or goo an sit on t'stairs. T'daft twollop dossna show is fizzog. Ah cun mind it wair allus mey as ad ter do t'wok, cos ey ayther cudna or wudna, and ey allus boggered it up anyah. Ah'd ay ter dab in else ah'd gerra cleat, burree wuddna lissen. Mi mam wair too soft ; shey coddled im ter much. Ey wair brillyunt at gerin issen inter trubble. Ey'd gerrup in t'mornin an gerron aht ter plee wi'aht ote t'ate. Ey'd goo all over t'village uptut rec., dahn inter t'woods, gerrin inter faights. Wun dee ey brok a winder an that Mrs 'enshaw cum trar aas all of a mucksweat. All dreesed up shay wair lahk a thoty bob piss-pot.  'Ey up, sorry yowl coppit nah.' Ah sez t'im, but mi mam made aht it wair an accident an mi fayther ad ter pay up.
Ey dint arf ate skewl. Fost dee, after ey'd cum ome fer is dinner mi mam sez it wair time to goo back. Ey lowked gone aht at er, 'Av ah gorra goo agin, ahv bin.' That fair knocked is duck off.  Wen ay lonned ter rate, ey once writ is name Brain, so wey all ad a good laff.
Got two lines in and started to push a pencil up each nostril. My spell checker is starting to smoke. What friggin currency is this?
I'm sure military intelligence would be very interested in this K. It has spent billions researching an unbreakable code and you come up with one just by letting the cat walk across your keyboard.
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: Mike Buckley on October 04, 2013, 01:14:20 PM

'Get the Rack and the Union boys voting for a national control in Inverness.  (Oh no, how would that work-in Scotland they still dispatch fire appliances to fires.)'

Sorry Colin, I was up in Scotland last week and the latest news was they were closing Inverness Control Room and reducing the number o control rooms down to 3.
Title: Re: Regional Fire Controls Scapped
Post by: colin todd on October 05, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
I think it is only a proposal, Michael, which is so sad as the old H&I people were one the nicest FRS in the whole of the known universe. But hey ho, thats progress.