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Fire related queries from non specialists / Re: Fire Door Keep Shut signage
« Last post by AnthonyB on December 03, 2023, 11:03:33 PM »
Are they self closing fire doors & if so do they need to be?

The Government Guides for dead ends usually give the option of fire doors onto the corridor (so they would need to be self closing and fire doors and  signed) or detection in every room (in which case they don't need to self close, be fire doors or be signed)
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Fire related queries from non specialists / Fire Door Keep Shut signage
« Last post by Collegeboy on December 03, 2023, 01:33:50 PM »
In a corridor approx 7m in length with small offices off of the corridor, would the office doors need Fire Door Keep shut signage,
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Technical Advice / Re: Ancillary part
« Last post by lyledunn on November 20, 2023, 09:14:00 PM »
Well, let?s say any of the four nations of the U.K. that you might be familiar with.
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Technical Advice / Re: Ancillary part
« Last post by wee brian on November 17, 2023, 01:31:38 PM »
Are you talking ADB or somewhere else?
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Fire Safety / Re: Electronically operated locks
« Last post by kml on November 14, 2023, 08:15:09 PM »
Hi Lyle,

many thanks for almost single handedly keeping this forum alive.

The table in the NIFRS Advice Note is a straight lift from Table B2 BS 7273-4:2015+A1 2021( Selection of category of actuation for release of electronically locked doors on means of escape from buildings )As you said NIFRS are offering "Advice" and BSI are providing "Guidance" although, if there is the question of approval of an Entertainment Licence application, it may well become prescriptive.

Presumably you have looked at this as part of the Risk Assessment and found it acceptable. The advice note states that it is unacceptable in "many" premises which implies that it is acceptable in some.

All you can do is discuss with the local Fire Safety Dept who, I would imagine, will cling very tightly to Advice Note 5 and say "but...alcohol" whilst making hypothetical statements about the "man (or woman) in the curly wig".

As anyone on here is only too well aware, this sector regularly experiences multi fatality incidents around the world so the Enforcing Authority is always going to err on the side of safety.

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Technical Advice / Ancillary part
« Last post by lyledunn on November 11, 2023, 10:13:23 AM »
Consider a typical restaurant premises, would you consider the kitchen to be an ancillary part for the purpose of Building Regulations?
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Fire Safety / Fire Safety Arrangements
« Last post by leejr71 on November 09, 2023, 05:45:49 PM »
Hi has anybody got a link to a good example of a fire safety arrangements aid-memoire or template to meet the requirements of section 156
Thanks
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Fire Safety / Electronically operated locks
« Last post by lyledunn on November 04, 2023, 10:05:30 AM »
It is very common to have the main entrance doors to a social club controlled by electrical means. The doors are often required for MOE. NIFRS say that such an arrangement is unacceptable to them in any venue that has alcohol provision or public entertainment. It must be respected that they are enforcing authority and that irrespective of assessed risk, such arrangements should not be in place.
Following a query to them, they make no distinction between an electronic locking mechanism and the flat plate electromagnetic type door retainers that simply release on loss of power.
Even when connected as Category A system in accordance with BS7273 2015 A 2021, control of the doors by electronic means is unacceptable. This is all set out in NIFRS Advice Note 005 available on their website.
I look after safety in over 100 club venues many of which will fall foul of the Advice Note. I appreciate that it may only be advice but no venue wants to be flouting advice from their Fire and Rescue Service.
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Fire Risk Assessments / Re: Enhanced Fire Risk Assessment
« Last post by Stobswellpond on November 01, 2023, 09:46:32 AM »
AnthonyB, thanks for your quick response. I'm currently trying to look at the history of the property in question, and initial indications would suggest that the assessor may have been paid for carrying out a fire risk assessment previously, which was not suitable and sufficient, and is looking to be paid for a second bite of the cherry and requesting payment for a second document by calling it enhanced. The second document does provide a large amount of photographs of fire doors but no information as to how each photograph physically relates to the layout of the property and thus the escape strategy.
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Fire Risk Assessments / Re: Enhanced Fire Risk Assessment
« Last post by AnthonyB on October 31, 2023, 09:53:16 PM »
Sounds like a marketing upsell - either it's suitable and sufficient or it isn't.

I can only guess that it might include property protection or a more intrusive compartmentation & fire door survey.
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