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Welcome to our new members / Re: Hi!
« Last post by wee brian on May 26, 2023, 04:34:14 PM »
Whenever anybody tells you something, ask them where it is written down.  you will learn more that way and it won't be BS....
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Technical Advice / Small single stair block of flats in AD B
« Last post by Seetek on May 20, 2023, 11:19:10 PM »
A two-storey block of flats recently built (but no certain date) has 5 flats per floor. Single direction travel distance from the furthest flat entrance door is circa 36m (18m/floor). FEDs are FD30s. There is no protection to the stair and a manually openable window. A communal alarm is provided for reasons unknown.

AD B 2019 differs from the 2013 version but says (I?ve deleted non-relevant bits):

Flats with upper storeys a maximum of 4.5m above ground level
3.14 The internal arrangement of single storey flats should comply with paragraphs 3.15 to 3.17. (They all have escape windows). And: A flat accessed via the common parts of the building should also comply with the provisions for small single stair buildings in paragraph 3.28 and Diagram 3.9. A protected entrance hall may be required as a result.

Means of escape in the common parts of flats
3.25 The following paragraphs deal with means of escape from the entrance doors of flats to a final exit. They do not apply to flats with a top storey that is a maximum of 4.5m above ground level (designed in accordance with paragraphs 3.16 and 3.17).

Small single stair buildings
3.28 For some low-rise buildings, the use of a single stair, protected in accordance with Diagram 3.9, may be permitted where all of the following apply (they do).

So, paragraph 3.14 says the flats should comply with paragraph 3.28, but paragraph 3.25 says they don?t need to. (It would help if it said which paragraphs don?t apply.)

The 2013 version is worded differently but stated that the small single stair paragraph doesn?t apply in this case.

Any advice would be welcome regarding whether the block should comply with Diagram 3.9 as it clearly doesn?t.
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Technical Advice / Re: Roof voids in older blocks of flats
« Last post by mosh on May 07, 2023, 11:42:36 AM »
Thank you.
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Technical Advice / Re: Roof voids in older blocks of flats
« Last post by AnthonyB on May 05, 2023, 08:23:50 PM »
Both Government risk assessment guides (small purpose built flats & purpose  built flats in general) indicate minimum expectations.
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Technical Advice / Roof voids in older blocks of flats
« Last post by mosh on May 05, 2023, 02:04:35 PM »
Where can I find information about lack of compartmentation within roof voids of older blocks of flats that pre dates modern building regs? I.e. information that can provide advice as to what sort of requirements there are for retrofitting compartmentation?

Thanks
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Fire Risk Assessments / Re: External escapes
« Last post by Seetek on May 04, 2023, 12:23:26 AM »
Thanks Anthony, for coming back to me. I am aware of all the guidance back to the 'blue' book and 'red' book etc. Today with all the guidance available, I am at a loss how this has not been picked up. There are 4 such externals on my client's building and more than 10 such buildings on the site hence my reach out on here. I have asked then client to try and source the original strategy.
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Fire Risk Assessments / Re: External escapes
« Last post by AnthonyB on May 03, 2023, 09:11:25 PM »
It's been listed in fire safety guidance back since fire certificate days - but unfortunately lots of stuff slips through the net, both back then and now.
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Fire Risk Assessments / Re: External escapes
« Last post by Seetek on May 03, 2023, 09:38:50 AM »
OK as I received a resounding silence to my post, I guess I never worded it in a great manner. I was hoping someone might have seen a scenario where an external stair is as described. The facade is curtain-wall glazing - non-FR. Thoughts?
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Fire Risk Assessments / External escapes
« Last post by Seetek on April 29, 2023, 08:30:09 PM »
I am trying to locate the specific guidance for situations where external staircases are situated approximately 1.8m away from the building. The facades and exit doors are unprotected. Occupants at each level have to pass along a (1.8m) link section between exit door and stair. Which guidance allows this scenario? I can't see it in any CLG FRA guides, BS9999 or AD B. The guidance assumes the stair is attached directly to the building with the entire stair requiring protection below it. (This stair is also >9m with no weather protection.) In a fire occupants may need to travel along these unprotected links within the smoke plume. It is debatable whether the stair at 1.8m away from the building would be safe from smoke also with no protection to the facade. Any thoughts?
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Guides and Legislation Links / Re: LABC fire shutter guidance
« Last post by wee brian on April 25, 2023, 03:15:39 PM »
I'm surprised that it isn't here (maybe disappointed)

https://buildingcontrolalliance.org/guidance-notes/
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