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Offline Gasmeter

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« on: June 12, 2006, 02:22:01 PM »
We have a situation where unit is being set up to provide services to disabled students; many of the members of this unit are also disabled.  Their office is to be situated on the first floor above a bar/restaurant in a three storey building, its not exactly the perfect location!  The problem is that they want an evacuation lift, but want to be able to control it themselves from the first floor.  The existing lift is adjacent to a refuge point with intercom to the ground floor.  Has anyone encountered a similar situation?  There is no great problem turning the existing lift into an evacuation lift, but its not possible to guarantee the availability of someone to control it from the ground (final exit) floor.

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2006, 09:17:53 PM »
If the disabled occupants are on the 3rd floor, how will they evacuate themselves if the control for the lift is on the 1st floor? Have you assessed the use of this lift and is it suitable i. e compliant with regulations concerning internal communications within lift for occupants, etc.? Will there be evacuation procedures put into place to make sure that these people will not be left in the building during an incident? Take a look at BS 5588 Pt 8 'Code of practice for the evacuation of disabled people' this may give you some pointers.

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2006, 07:25:52 AM »
I dont believe your proposal would work unless there was the equivalent of a final exit available from the first floor lift lobby area, so that persons taking control of the lift and the evacuation were doing so from a safe area, accessible from the outside if further assistance were to be necessary.

You will note that the new guides are are a little more flexible on the use of lifts for evacuation of disabled people and move towards a risk based approach allowing decisions to be made as part of an emergency plan to use lifts elsewhere in the building if they cannot be affected by the fire. There are no recommendations made on what constitutes an adequate degree of separation, in terms of fire protection or electrical resilience.

I would not rule your  proposal out entirely because the alternative - the  building witout any evacuation lift, especially with a large number of non ambulant people using it will clearly be less safe than if we can use a lift to quickly get a larger number of persons to a lower level. To justify your case you will first have to apply the principles of prevention- can we find alternative accomodation for this department in another building on the ground floor?

If not, the second option is to rearrange the layout of the ground floor to make evacuation control operate from ground floor level, if that is impossible then look at lift control systems and management procedures. Can you provide a dual standard of lift control with the first stage of control  taking charge at first floor level by key switch, but then moving to the ground floor with a second keyswitch that over rides the first?

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2006, 09:14:35 AM »
Thanks for your comments,  the powers that be have decreed that this building is the one they want in spite of fire safety objections, partly due to a 'why should we be treated differently' attitude.  No disabled people will be working above the 1st floor and the lift will be made compliant with existing standards for evacuation lifts; its already in a protected shaft with a stairwell and a modified evacuation plan will be introduced, we are developing PEEPs for all disabled users.  I like the idea of dual control switches, I'm sure its technically possible; I tend towards the idea that the upgraded lift would be safer 'on balance' than no lift and hopefully acceptable to the FRS bearing in mind what the new guides say.  Thanks again.

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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2006, 04:56:57 PM »
Gasmeter, I think I got the wrong end of the stick when I read your posting! Don't ask me what end of the stick it was but it was the wrong one! I must stop drinking 'old peculiar'...........: - )

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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2006, 08:56:27 AM »
Ashley, this issue is a stick with many ends, by the way if you do stop drinking 'Old Peculiar' could you send what you have left to me?