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[maineroad]

i hear accountants are getting them now (strathclyde) after a full two years service to bean counting,still they have saved some money by sacking ff who left some soap dodging students out in the rain!!!

[Mike Buckley]

Sometimes its not what you know its who you know. I know a guy who got one for wrecking a brigade (its still in the bottom of the league table).

[toidi]

Maineroad - Your post is full of inaccuracies. Firstly, you cannot accuse students of being soap dodgers as it implies they are averse to water, but you even say thay had to stand out in it for some time so they must have got quite wet!

Secondly- the sacked personnel will cost the service money as they need replacing which will result in new FF needing trained.

Thirdly- and the most important innacuracy- The "Bean counter" (your words, not mine) you refer to has been an accountant for more than 2 years so to question her "bean counting" service is absolutely shocking!!!!

Next you will want the QFSM to be issued to people who have actually had to deal with a fire and helped to improve  a fire service.

Shame on you!!!!

These views are my own and in no way reflect the views of my employer.

[Chris Houston]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6185292.stm

Here's a link to one of the storys.  Less of the "soap dodgers" please, this is a public forum.  I encourage posters to avoid making generalisations, please.

[kurnal]

Do the emergency services have a duty of care for the safety, health and welfare to persons evacuated from premises or from an area because of fire or civil emergency? I an thinking section 2 and 3 of the HASAWA?
Or does that duty of care sit only with the responsible person from the premises they have evacuated?

[toidi]

Good point Kurnal

I am sure that we have a duty of care once we actually turn up and  start to carry out our duties.
An interesting point is that colleagues in Strathclyde were rightly screaming for the person who broke the call point to be charged if caught for wasting Fire service time  when they could be saving lives and property elsewhere.

If the incident is under 1 minute from the station, and they knew it was malicious within the first 10 minutes, I reckon that the decision to stay there for 3 hours wasted  time, tenfold more than the idiot who smashed the call point.
I hate to say it but there are allegations in the 'Sun' today about other things that happened at the incident  and if they are correct, I feel that Strathclyde acted in their best interests to protect the reputations of all their other dedicated personnel who do a great job.

PS.
there is 24 hour CCTV throughout the building!

[Cut Fire Service Pay]

Sometimes its not what you know its who you know. I know a guy who got one for wrecking a brigade (its still in the bottom of the league table).

This wouldn't be a certain East Midlands brigade that also has the slowest response times, and also employs overseas fruit pickers to hide the extent of their retained recruitment problem would it?

[Mike Buckley]

No, but if the cap fits!