Fire doors and single staircase

[Redone]

I have a very small property, Basement, Ground, 1st, domestic converted for office use - listed premise, plenty of AFD as basement ceiling must be left exposed, all occupants fully mobile, no disabled access.

All doors accessing staircase FD30S... bar one, Heritage have only allowed us to make up using materials such as Envirograph products, happy with that, however unable to fit a self closer to this one door.

As long as the building is well managed, which it is, I don't have a problem with this, will the FA give us grief over the one door without a self closer, even if our own FRA and procedures show good practise?

[afterburner]

why can't you fit a self closer to this one door? Is this a physical thing, a Heritage rule or some othe reason?

[nearlythere]

I have a very small property, Basement, Ground, 1st, domestic converted for office use - listed premise, plenty of AFD as basement ceiling must be left exposed, all occupants fully mobile, no disabled access.

All doors accessing staircase FD30S... bar one, Heritage have only allowed us to make up using materials such as Envirograph products, happy with that, however unable to fit a self closer to this one door.

As long as the building is well managed, which it is, I don't have a problem with this, will the FA give us grief over the one door without a self closer, even if our own FRA and procedures show good practise?

Grief from FA? Probably.
What is so special about the one door?
Was once advised by an architect that Heritage would not allow the provision of an external escape stairway from wing of listed building. I contacted the county architect responsibile and she advised me that the listed building excuse is, in many cases, being used to avoid having to spend money. She said that provided the fire escape was required for H&S reasons and  that is was in sympathy with the ambiance of the building then they may have to live with it.

[Dinnertime Dave]

What’s the position of the door? Is it the first door on the route or the last door?
What’s the use of the room? Is it a kitchen door or an office door?
Can the accommodation be moved around to make a difference? i.e. if it was a private interview room the door would probably be shut anyway.

finally, is the level of AFD sufficient to be a compensatory feature?

[Redone]

Office door, first and last on the route (adjacent to only exit/entrance).

I'd already agreed to have the basement AFD'ed as the ceiling/floor timbers must be left exposed, I thought the door would just be replaced as all the others have been...  but it's special...

It's about 12.5mm paneled, door and frame must not be touched!!! not even a keep shut to be put on!

Anyway, Afd going in throughout route and rooms off, occupant to close the door when they exit, written into fire plan.  FA happy with that.

Visited site today, all FD30S doors wedged open!

Thanks for the interest everyone.

[Big A]

Visited site today, all FD30S doors wedged open!

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Well,well.
 :rolleyes:

[wee brian]

If you cant touch iether the door or the frame you could use a big gibralter closer - if they exist.

Personally I doubt that the restiction is as draconian as you have been told.

[nearlythere]

As long as the building is well managed, which it is, I don't have a problem with this, will the FA give us grief over the one door without a self closer, even if our own FRA and procedures show good practise?

Redone wrote:
Visited site today, all FD30S doors wedged open!

What happened the "well managed bit"?

[wee brian]

Lol

[Redone]

WAS well managed,  Manager left, indians not to bothered, new chief starts next Monday...

[nearlythere]

Bet most of us did not consider  "Review and update a RA as neccessary" also meant where the management had changed.