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« on: September 07, 2004, 09:01:42 AM »
Have anyone of you out there encountered or experienced in a actual major evacuation situation?

I personally have not. Only saw the disaster and the chaotic in TV News.....  But in real terms is there really a problem with evacuation? Should there be any concern at all?

For high rise office buildings FSM are required to map out evacuation plans and conduct drills. But if the system fails then the fire brigade will have to come to the rescue. So, what is the problem?

Why should building owners fork out for additional measures when stairs are there as means of escape?

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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2004, 09:43:00 AM »
Dear Guest,

May I ask who you work for?  

There is an ever increasing number of posting on here clearly posted by people who have an interest in their products being marketted, and I can't help but think I can see where this line of questioning is going.

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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2004, 10:19:20 AM »
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But if the system fails then the fire brigade will have to come to the rescue. So, what is the problem?


The problem could be criminal prosecution and more damaging the large civil claims (thanks to the revision of HASWA & FP[W] to make injury claims due to legislative breach rather more easy) if your system is inadequate.

If all you needed were stairs and nothing else then the deaths at Summerland and Woolworths (to quote just two examples) would never have occured.
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2004, 08:54:36 AM »
But if a building is designed and constructed in accordance to the minimum fire safety requirements by law, conventional escape routes are well-marked, unblocked and unlocked, and if the systems and evacuation plans fail during a major evacuation, will the building owner be liable for criminal prosecution?

What if the FSM or OHSO recommended to the building owner to have additional measures inadditional to stairs in aiding evacuation but building owner rejected the recommendation becos it is not required by law. Would the FSM or OHSO be liable for criminal prosecution if the systems and evacuation plans fail during a major evacuation ?

AnthonyB wrote:
'If all you needed were stairs and "nothing else" then the deaths at Summerland and Woolworths (to quote just two examples) would never have occured.'

What do you mean by "nothing else"? Do you mean we need to have more safety features added to stairs?

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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2004, 09:03:44 AM »
The events of Sept. 11, 2001; the bombing at the Australian Embassy and the Marriot Hotel in jakarta, clearly illustrated the need for high-rise buildings to be proficient if a total and sudden building evacuation becomes necessary. Evacuation preparedness for fire or non-fire related emergencies is a proactive and efficient state of preparedness for a full-scale total building evacuation!

Does evacuation preparedness means that building owners would need to be better equipped with facilities or equipment for aiding evacuation?

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2004, 01:44:23 AM »
For workplaces, youv'e got to have a plan for getting them out safely B-P - including anyone you let in above or below Ground Floor and cannot use stairs unaided.

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2004, 06:12:33 AM »
Because full-scale evacuations of tall buildings are rare, little is known about how readily and rapidly these buildings can be evacuated and what factors serve as facilitators or barriers to the process.

In general, factors that affected people decision to begin evacuating:
1) perceived ability to walk down multiple flights of stairs;
2) knowledge of stairwell locations and whether individual stairwells led to street level exits;
3) deciding which route to take (e.g., stairs or elevators) might have delayed evacuation progress for others.
People stop and assist others who are in poor physical condition will delay the progress of evaucation.

For these reasons, it is suggested that preparedness planning for total evacuation of multistorey buildings, either business or residential at the individual, organizational, and building environmental levels can facilitate rapid evacuation.

To ensure adequate readiness, I personnally believed that all the postings from similar initiatives on the related subjects in this FORUM can help inform builders, developers, insurance companies, employee groups, and emergency planners about risk-reduction strategies. Information might be of value to help workers, management, and local authorities develop and evaluate model emergency preparedness programs for high-rise occupancies.