Industrial firefighter

[tonenee50]

Just a bit thanks to everyone on this site for all the questions and answers I have read.  As an industrial firefighter for a large motor company I thought I knew a thing or two about the fire industry. WRONG!!  I might be able to fight fire and lookafter co2 systems/sprinkers/extingushers/and water mist systems but when its comes to law I may as well be Vicar.  Are there any straight answers about Fire Risk Assesment??
Many thanks once again.

[Chris Houston]

Loads of them.  What's the question?

[tonenee50]

Right,

To do a FRA on my own building can I do it myself as an untrained person?
Can I charge people to do a FRA if I am untrained and whats the level of training req to do so?
At what level do you need further assesments for chemical/fuel etc (amounts)
If I go to FRA a shop and above it there are private flats with shared landord stairways who does what?
Many thanks.

[nearlythere]

Right,

To do a FRA on my own building can I do it myself as an untrained person?
Can I charge people to do a FRA if I am untrained and whats the level of training req to do so?
At what level do you need further assesments for chemical/fuel etc (amounts)
If I go to FRA a shop and above it there are private flats with shared landord stairways who does what?
Many thanks.

HI Tonenee50.
To avoid the possibility of you spending some time at the pleasure of Her Majesty you should avoid RAs unless you are properly trained. The level of experience required is immense and it doesn't all come from a book.
With respect, some of your questions lead me to believe that you do not have the necessary knowhow to conduct a full and proper RA.
But there are courses you can take to get you under way and you could start with NEBOSH General Certicate. If you did you will discover that there is much more to do before you start doing RAs.

[terry martin]

Right,

To do a FRA on my own building can I do it myself as an untrained person?
Can I charge people to do a FRA if I am untrained and whats the level of training req to do so?
At what level do you need further assesments for chemical/fuel etc (amounts)
If I go to FRA a shop and above it there are private flats with shared landord stairways who does what?
Many thanks.

HI Tonenee50.
To avoid the possibility of you spending some time at the pleasure of Her Majesty you should avoid RAs unless you are properly trained. The level of experience required is immense and it doesn't all come from a book.
With respect, some of your questions lead me to believe that you do not have the necessary knowhow to conduct a full and proper RA.
But there are courses you can take to get you under way and you could start with NEBOSH General Certicate. If you did you will discover that there is much more to do before you start doing RAs.

Sorry nearlythere
 I don't quite agree with what you have said. I agree that if a person has zero knowledge and works for a large company that has significant hazards, as tonenee50 does. Then they should stay well clear, and get in a competent person. I would even go so far as to say that even having done a NEBOSH course they should stay well clear anyway, that kind of premises would be a challenge even to someone with qualifications and years of experience.
However, to say that people should avoid doing there own risk assessments for fear of ending up in prison is a bit extreme. The level of knowledge and experience required is relevant to the kind of premises.
 A professional person with a bit of nouse and a copy of the guide to offices and shops, could, with sufficient reading, quite easily conduct there own RA in a simple office layout.

 I appologise if I misunderstood you, and your comments where directed just to tonenee50's circumstances, but it read like a broad statement.
My concern was that there are a lot of people who visit this sight to seek advice, I wouldn't want them to be misled.

[Midland Retty]

Right,

To do a FRA on my own building can I do it myself as an untrained person?
Can I charge people to do a FRA if I am untrained and whats the level of training req to do so?
At what level do you need further assesments for chemical/fuel etc (amounts)
If I go to FRA a shop and above it there are private flats with shared landord stairways who does what?
Many thanks.

HI Tonenee50.
To avoid the possibility of you spending some time at the pleasure of Her Majesty you should avoid RAs unless you are properly trained. The level of experience required is immense and it doesn't all come from a book.
With respect, some of your questions lead me to believe that you do not have the necessary knowhow to conduct a full and proper RA.
But there are courses you can take to get you under way and you could start with NEBOSH General Certicate. If you did you will discover that there is much more to do before you start doing RAs.

Sorry nearlythere
 I don't quite agree with what you have said. I agree that if a person has zero knowledge and works for a large company that has significant hazards, as tonenee50 does. Then they should stay well clear, and get in a competent person. I would even go so far as to say that even having done a NEBOSH course they should stay well clear anyway, that kind of premises would be a challenge even to someone with qualifications and years of experience.
However, to say that people should avoid doing there own risk assessments for fear of ending up in prison is a bit extreme. The level of knowledge and experience required is relevant to the kind of premises.
 A professional person with a bit of nouse and a copy of the guide to offices and shops, could, with sufficient reading, quite easily conduct there own RA in a simple office layout.

 I appologise if I misunderstood you, and your comments where directed just to tonenee50's circumstances, but it read like a broad statement.
My concern was that there are a lot of people who visit this sight to seek advice, I wouldn't want them to be misled.

Yes I think you are right

A simple small office or shop could be risk assessed by someone with little knowledge but something like a nuclear power station would need a specialist to assess it.

[nearlythere]

HI Tonenee50.
To avoid the possibility of you spending some time at the pleasure of Her Majesty you should avoid RAs unless you are properly trained. The level of experience required is immense and it doesn't all come from a book.
With respect, some of your questions lead me to believe that you do not have the necessary knowhow to conduct a full and proper RA.
But there are courses you can take to get you under way and you could start with NEBOSH General Certicate. If you did you will discover that there is much more to do before you start doing RAs.

Sorry nearlythere
 I don't quite agree with what you have said. I agree that if a person has zero knowledge and works for a large company that has significant hazards, as tonenee50 does. Then they should stay well clear, and get in a competent person. I would even go so far as to say that even having done a NEBOSH course they should stay well clear anyway, that kind of premises would be a challenge even to someone with qualifications and years of experience.
However, to say that people should avoid doing there own risk assessments for fear of ending up in prison is a bit extreme. The level of knowledge and experience required is relevant to the kind of premises.
 A professional person with a bit of nouse and a copy of the guide to offices and shops, could, with sufficient reading, quite easily conduct there own RA in a simple office layout.

 I appologise if I misunderstood you, and your comments where directed just to tonenee50's circumstances, but it read like a broad statement.
My concern was that there are a lot of people who visit this sight to seek advice, I wouldn't want them to be misled.

Yes I think you are right

A simple small office or shop could be risk assessed by someone with little knowledge but something like a nuclear power station would need a specialist to assess it.

I think Tonenee did say he was an industrial firefighter for a large motor company. I take this not to be a corner sweetie shop.
It is important to understand that when you carry out a fire risk assessment you become liable for its contents. You will be liable for what you assess and also for what you didn't.