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« on: August 09, 2008, 11:28:30 AM »
In a decades time most of the buildings will be its own power stations, what ever or how ever the source of energy is generated, to feed all appliances including fuelling the car with power and the most importantly feeding the fire alarm system from a local power ...

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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2008, 11:49:44 AM »
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In a decades time most of the buildings will be its own power stations, what ever or how ever the source of energy is generated, to feed all appliances including fuelling the car with power and the most importantly feeding the fire alarm system from a local power ...
Is there any evidence to support this Benz? I cannot see how buildings can stand alone without pulling resources from a national grid. Unless you have a secret up your sleeve.

This could only be achieved it each building could harness and convert sufficient natural energy resources to cope with its peak demand. In densely populated areas this will be impossible. And in any case it considering the inefficiencies inherent in converting energy forms it is must better to do this centrally  rather than running millions and millions of inefficient systems.

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2008, 12:43:51 PM »
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In a decades time most of the buildings will be its own power stations, what ever or how ever the source of energy is generated, to feed all appliances including fuelling the car with power and the most importantly feeding the fire alarm system from a local power ...
Is there any evidence to support this Benz? I cannot see how buildings can stand alone without pulling resources from a national grid. Unless you have a secret up your sleeve.

This could only be achieved it each building could harness and convert sufficient natural energy resources to cope with its peak demand. In densely populated areas this will be impossible. And in any case it considering the inefficiencies inherent in converting energy forms it is must better to do this centrally  rather than running millions and millions of inefficient systems.
I do understand UK is the slowest country to go green comparing to other European countries or some others, research are on going world wide to find out the best and easiest also a cost effective transition, to step up to this inevitable choice, see the link below:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-3131478/Fire-safety-in-green-or.html

Or this

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb017/is_200309/ai_n5786049

There is nothing secret in that, it's a reality and we have to be ready to understand it, and well facing it, it is not few month's project it is a decade's project and up till now the prototyping stage are showing successful technical results through what is called (soft-houses)... but how to apply it? This remains local issue to every country…

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2008, 12:50:43 PM »
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In a decades time most of the buildings will be its own power stations, what ever or how ever the source of energy is generated, to feed all appliances including fuelling the car with power and the most importantly feeding the fire alarm system from a local power ...
Is there any evidence to support this Benz? I cannot see how buildings can stand alone without pulling resources from a national grid. Unless you have a secret up your sleeve.

This could only be achieved it each building could harness and convert sufficient natural energy resources to cope with its peak demand. In densely populated areas this will be impossible. And in any case it considering the inefficiencies inherent in converting energy forms it is must better to do this centrally  rather than running millions and millions of inefficient systems.
Also what you are stating is one of the true and major obstacles facing this transition...

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2008, 12:55:33 PM »
I couldn't get the full article but this is the beggining



Journal Article Excerpt:  by W.K. Chow; Architectural Science Review, Vol. 46, 2003


      Fire Safety in Green or Sustainable Buildings: Application of the Fire Engineering Approach in Hong Kong.




'Green' or 'sustainable' buildings might give new architectural features where prescriptive fire codes are difficult to follow. Examples include the internal voids, double-skin facades and others. As a result, fire engineering approach' which is similar to applying fire safety engineering to passive construction design through engineering performance-based fire codes used in overseas has been accepted by the local government since 1998.

In this paper, the historical background of local fire codes will be briefly discussed first. The fire engineering approach will then be introduced. How fire engineering approach was applied to safety provisions in 'green or sustainable buildings' since 1998 will be described. Basically, three levels of studies had been adopted for over 30 new projects or renovations of the existing buildings related to 'green or sustainable' buildings.

1. Introduction

Construction industries over the world are moving towards green or sustainable buildings [1]. Three aspects [e.g. 2] on architectural features and building design, electrical and mechanical systems for environmental control, and building management have to be upgraded to satisfy the assessment criteria such as on protecting the environment, using less energy, better waste management and water conservation.

In addition to the above, fire safety is also another key issue. Apart from several big accidental fires occurred in Hong Kong since 1996 [e.g. 3], the n umber of fires other than those caused by accidents over the world (e.g. World...  

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2008, 10:54:23 PM »
I don't think that the last article indicates a total self sufficient building strategy,rather that it is indicating utilizing green measures in the day to day running of the buildings -  providing more efficient ventilation systems is one example.
I did see a new building in the far east somewhere that had twin towers that had wind generators providing power and ventilation.The ventilation was natural air being forced through ducts and then returned.From this aspect I could see the need to look at fire & building regs.

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2008, 06:15:16 AM »
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I don't think that the last article indicates a total self sufficient building strategy,rather that it is indicating utilizing green measures in the day to day running of the buildings -  providing more efficient ventilation systems is one example.
I did see a new building in the far east somewhere that had twin towers that had wind generators providing power and ventilation.The ventilation was natural air being forced through ducts and then returned.From this aspect I could see the need to look at fire & building regs.
Did you manage to get the full article then?

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2008, 02:05:27 PM »
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In a decades time most of the buildings will be its own power stations, what ever or how ever the source of energy is generated, to feed all appliances including fuelling the car with power and the most importantly feeding the fire alarm system from a local power ...

How FS standards would be affected?
Ben. The way things are going in a few decades time we could be sitting around camp fires roasting rabbits and dressed in animal skins trying to keep warm from the nuclear winter trying to remember how water wheels worked.
We're not Brazil we're Northern Ireland.

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2008, 06:12:59 PM »
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In a decades time most of the buildings will be its own power stations, what ever or how ever the source of energy is generated, to feed all appliances including fuelling the car with power and the most importantly feeding the fire alarm system from a local power ...

How FS standards would be affected?
Ben. The way things are going in a few decades time we could be sitting around camp fires roasting rabbits and dressed in animal skins trying to keep warm from the nuclear winter trying to remember how water wheels worked.
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2008, 07:23:20 PM »
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In a decades time most of the buildings will be its own power stations, what ever or how ever the source of energy is generated, to feed all appliances including fuelling the car with power and the most importantly feeding the fire alarm system from a local power ...

How FS standards would be affected?
Ben. The way things are going in a few decades time we could be sitting around camp fires roasting rabbits and dressed in animal skins trying to keep warm from the nuclear winter trying to remember how water wheels worked.
Hi nearlythere:

Do you know a decade’s time is nearlythere, I personally can not remember how my last 20s have gone so quick, I don’t want to annoy Einstein in his rest, about the relativity theory in which some of its says; 'the more you are busy the more you do feel the time'… but even I was busy in my last 20s, they have gone so quick :)

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2008, 08:35:48 PM »
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In a decades time most of the buildings will be its own power stations, what ever or how ever the source of energy is generated, to feed all appliances including fuelling the car with power and the most importantly feeding the fire alarm system from a local power ...

How FS standards would be affected?
Ben. The way things are going in a few decades time we could be sitting around camp fires roasting rabbits and dressed in animal skins trying to keep warm from the nuclear winter trying to remember how water wheels worked.
Hi nearlythere:

Do you know a decade’s time is nearlythere, I personally can not remember how my last 20s has gone so quick, I don’t want to annoy Einstein in his rest, about the relativity theory in which some of it says; 'the more you are busy the more you do feel a life'… but even I was busy in my last 20s, they have gone so quick :)
As someone once said "I don't know what the 3rd world war was fought with but the 4th was with sticks and stones".
We're not Brazil we're Northern Ireland.

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2008, 10:10:23 PM »
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Ben. The way things are going in a few decades time we could be sitting around camp fires roasting rabbits and dressed in animal skins trying to keep warm from the nuclear winter trying to remember how water wheels worked.
Hi nearlythere:

Do you know a decade’s time is nearlythere, I personally can not remember how my last 20s has gone so quick, I don’t want to annoy Einstein in his rest, about the relativity theory in which some of it says; 'the more you are busy the more you do feel a life'… but even I was busy in my last 20s, they have gone so quick :)
As someone once said "I don't know what the 3rd world war was fought with but the 4th was with sticks and stones".
He was the same chap who said as long as the war is far away from my home, I don't care...!

They said it is nearlythere...!

He said as long as it's not in my room I don't care...!

They said it is nearlythere...!

He said, as long as it didn't touch me I don't care...!

They said; you don't need to care any more, we will let you know once you are burnt out  :lol:




Just Joking mate