Detection in Toilets?

[Benzerari]

What level of protection necessitates fire protection in toilets?

What type of protection?

According to what?

We have couple of customers have SDs in toilets, some others have HDs in toilets, and so many customers haven't any... etc

Is that some thing to do with the level of protection?

Is that some thing to do with business, by selling more stuff where even they are not required?

Is that really required by BS5839 part 1 to have detection in toilets?

Thank you

[Wiz]

BS 5839 part 1 does not recommend any automatic fire detection in toliets unless those toilet areas are assessed as an arson risk, as might be the case in shopping malls etc.

[Big_Fella]

You may also require them in toilets under property protection, i.e. P1 and P2, and even under L5 etc if there is a risk in there

[Benzerari]

BS 5839 part 1 does not recommend any automatic fire detection in toliets unless those toilet areas are assessed as an arson risk, as might be the case in shopping malls etc.

Apart from the above, it is business matter then, it looks like stealing while people sleeping or anware?

[Allen Higginson]

BS 5839 part 1 does not recommend any automatic fire detection in toliets unless those toilet areas are assessed as an arson risk, as might be the case in shopping malls etc.

Apart from the above, it is business matter then, it looks like stealing while people sleeping or anware?

You're very cynical Benz!!It's a matter of fact that there is very little that can go on fire (although combustible gases may be present - sorry,but someone had to get the toilet humour in!) but in some cases there may be a chance of arson (DSS offices are a good example).
Either way,if it is an addressable system and you have been required to install sounder beacons then adding a smoke should it appear necessary isn't a big issue.

[Colin Newman]

Installing smoke detection in toilets accessed by the public is standard practice in hospitals due to instances of arson. (Those jumbo toilet rolls and holders provide a sizeable fire!).  The recommendation is included in Health Technical Memorandum 05-03 Part B.

[kurnal]

A couple of my warehousing clients install them too- they found that people take goods into the loos, burn the packaging and flush it down the loo and wear the garment

[Benzerari]

A couple of my warehousing clients install them too- they found that people take goods into the loos, burn the packaging and flush it down the loo and wear the garment

This is burglar alarm then?

[Benzerari]

Installing smoke detection in toilets accessed by the public is standard practice in hospitals due to instances of arson. (Those jumbo toilet rolls and holders provide a sizeable fire!).  The recommendation is included in Health Technical Memorandum 05-03 Part B.

This is new to me, so is not mentioned in BS5839 part 1 as Wiz mentioned, but rather in Health Technical Memorandum 05-03 Part B as Colin stated.

Thanks Guys, that's what I want to know

[Martin]

Once dealt with a fire in girl's toilet in a secondary school. Illicit fag stubbed out in a sanitary towel bin. Smouldered nicely until the bin failed and created massive ammount of soot damage. Similar incident in another school with deliberate ignition of lighter fuel or similar. However because good standard of fire seperation, limited occupation short distance to exit etc and very unlikely to get silent hours fire I did not reccomend detection. However one of the schools fitted domestic stand alone smoke detector more as part of no smoking policy. On the other hand £1k+ cleanup versus £10 smoke detector?

[Wiz]

Products from www.radaltechnology.com are specifically designed to detect cigarette smoke and are widely used in toilets. Their smoke detectors are more sensitive to smoke than normal 'smoke' detectors. They also have a flame detector that detects small flames from matches and lighters etc.

[kurnal]

A couple of my warehousing clients install them too- they found that people take goods into the loos, burn the packaging and flush it down the loo and wear the garment

This is burglar alarm then?

No not really, the only reason toilets are excepted in 5839 is because usually there are few ignition sources and almost no combustible materials. If there is a perceived risk of fire then detection should be provided.