Author Topic: Am I being over onerous ??  (Read 3866 times)

hollandg

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Am I being over onerous ??
« on: March 23, 2005, 09:07:41 PM »
I am assessing the risk assessment for fire within a single storey dwelling used for the provision of care. 1 mobility impaired user along with 1 or 2 max staff members on a 24 hour non sleeping basis. The premises comprises the lounge, which is open to :-
kitchen via sliding doors (for wheelchair access)
bedroom
main entrance

There is domestic linked detection within the lounge at the kitchen end as well as bedroom end. No detection in kitchen.

The staff have stringent and robust management policies concerning fire safety and during the user sleeping hours they are stationed within the lounge (open sight of the kitchen area - sliding doors opened).

I was considering the requirement for detection within the kitchen area but, due to their policy of keeping doors open to maintain watch, and fact that heat would never build up with them open anyway, I am not 100% for that.

Might it be acceptable if I could use their policies and accept the doors open (they are 30min fire doors on sliding tracks). If they were called to assist the resident and had policy of isolating all items in use would that be robust enough?

To enhance safety should that occur then what if Heat detection was fitted within the kitchen and the policy altered to that of isolating all items in use and sliding the doors closed behind them if called away. This would protect the lounge/escape route to the front door for at least the time required to evacuate the user concerned.

Can I have some of you learned ladies and gentlemen's thoughts on the matter.

By the way how can i get a copy of PAS 79??

Offline eddy orr

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Am I being over onerous ??
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2005, 11:37:06 AM »
initial thoughts are that if you rely on management procedures such as closing door when not on watch could be problematic as human nature tends to err towards taking shortcuts (ie I'll close door in a minute or will only be gone for a minute it wont matter this time etc.)
Also it cannot be guaranteed that the staff will act as they are instructed (ie catching a quick sleep at night springs to mind, drinking atwork , smoking). For this reason, it would be best to reinforce staff duties and responsibilities, while highlighting the importace of carrying them out.
If you cannot rely on staff to exercise their responsibilities, it would probably be best to put a detector in the kitchen if the risk merits it. Assume that you have already addressed risk reductin in the kitchen.

Can order the pas from the bsi website
http://www.bsi-global.com/Risk/Fire/pas79.xalter