Significant Differences : RR(FS)O v Fire (Scotland Act)????

[messy]

Can anyone inform me of (or point me towards a document where I could research) the major/significant differences between the RR(FS)O 2005 and the Fire (Scotland) Act 2005.

I have had the briefest looks through the latter Act and it seems on the face of it to be largely a matter of semantics possibly to ensure the legislation fits the different legal and organisational systems up there where it always rains.

At this stage, a simple bullet point list would do rather than full details

Thanks

[TickityBoo]

Hi Messy

There are differences in terminology e.g. the FSA does not refer to a "responsible person" but refers to a person with Chapter 1 duties and an "appropriate person" in respect of Alterations Notices.

The main difference is in relation to domestic premises.  In Scotland, the common parts of domestic premises are not considered "relevant premises" (unlike in E&W).  However, there is an explicit duty to maintain facilities and devices in such parts, for the safety and use of firefighters e.g. dry risers, firefighting lifts etc.

A licensable HMO is a relevant premises also (covering private and common parts within the HMO) - not sure if this is the same in E&W or not.

Also, Scottish sector specific guidance refers to benchmarks derived from Scottish Building Standards Technical Handbooks which use different terminology and contain different standards.  However, the guidance is not statutory and so, strictly speaking, this is not a difference between the two legislative regimes, only a difference in guidance.

[colin todd]

Messy. an overview is that the Scottish legislation is well written and is backed up by expertise within Scottish government. I leave you to make your own conclusions about the English system. There are many subtle differences. You need to come on one of our courses! We do discount for training the greatest fire brigade in the whole of London-its part of our help the needy policy

[wtfdik]

Messy the main difference is the scottish sit back and then look at the english mistakes and correct them. They do not have the nous to try it first ( have you seen there parliament building). NI are the same. As for help the needy colins courses are excellent but the needy is his bank account you know how the scots like to count the pennies. Whats wrong with the finest brigade in Londons training apart from the fact they wont tell you anything about the scottish legislation? Remond me again why we took that wall down?

[colin todd]

On a point of accuracy, the two legislative regimes came into force on the same day, so there was not time to look at the mistakes, and it would be a full time job for a whole team to look at the number of mistakes that exist. "There" (sic) parliament was paid for largely by the english taxpayer for which the scots are extremely grateful. When we have english fire officers on courses  we run at the scottish college I always arrange for them to have a tour of the building, on the basis they paid for it anyway. They always seem to enjoy the tour anyhow. You took the wall down because it was so badly designed, constructed and maintained that it fell within the meaning of a dangerous structure, plus you wanted the scottish intellect to pass by osmosis into england.
ps thank you for the plug of the courses, though I prefer to call them learning experiences!

[wtfdik]

Ah but only on same day cos ours was 6 months late waiting for guidance I think we still waiting. Osmosis relies on the fact that we can absorb unlikely dont you think. Our taxes pay for a lot of stuff in foriegn lands I dont know why yoy dont have a red nose day oh I forgot you cant be funny except your football team