Author Topic: Low cost guides and standards?  (Read 21713 times)

Offline Wiz

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Re: Low cost guides and standards?
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2009, 11:56:50 AM »
You're debating skills are very argumentitive, "no matter how ******** stupid it is" That makes me not want to read the rest of your post and i thought this forum was about sharing ideas not trying to bully yours into being the best! So im not going to continue with this post ( :P) but i will say........

My dream is having a nice big house, lots of money, lots of laughs and a healthy happy life.

If your dream is cheaper British Standards you need to take a break  ;D

Well Piglet, I was actually talking about my own opinions in what I hoped was a light-hearted way !!!

You now say "i thought this forum was about sharing ideas not trying to bully yours into being the best!"

Do you know what? - Well so did I!
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Re: Low cost guides and standards?
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2009, 12:22:45 PM »
BS7273-4 Costs £168 (member = £84)

That was published in 2007, so to date that has cost you £6.22 a month.

How many jobs have you done since April 2007? Im sure by putting a few pence extra on each job (inflation!) you can cover the costs of the new guides.

You make some valid point Piglet but the actual cost to my business could run into thousands and thousands simply because there are those few amongst us who try and follow all the rules to the best of our ability, and there is everybody else be they jack of all electricians or large national fire companies that ignore the likes of 7273-4.

I think its generally accepted (ish) that presently there may be one addressable loop powered I/O unit that will meet the failsafe criteria for a Cat A door.

The only other way this can be achieved to comply with 7273-4 that I can see is by running separate cables back to the control panel.

This is additional cost, this loses me jobs. Does the customer care ... No.

Yes he should care, yes he may end up in prison, but he probably doesn't even know the Standard exists or the risks because my 15 page quote and specification doesn't make it passed the electrical contractor I'm quoting to because he gets a cheaper quote from dodgy git inc. 
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Re: Low cost guides and standards?
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2009, 01:24:09 PM »
Where is this restaurant that keeps on being mentioned. It must be good. I'd like to try it !!!!!

Offline Wiz

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Re: Low cost guides and standards?
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2009, 02:16:22 PM »

I think its generally accepted (ish) that presently there may be one addressable loop powered I/O unit that will meet the failsafe criteria for a Cat A door.

Which one is that David?


The only other way this can be achieved to comply with 7273-4 that I can see is by running separate cables back to the control panel.

David, In the 7273-4 thread I've only just posted that it appears that Ampac Firefinder appears suitable for the 'seperate wires' method. Which other panels do you know have the 'disablement' relay or where disablements operate the fault relay?
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Re: Low cost guides and standards?
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2009, 05:20:23 PM »

I think its generally accepted (ish) that presently there may be one addressable loop powered I/O unit that will meet the failsafe criteria for a Cat A door.

Which one is that David?

The secret one that no one will talk about.....!!!

The only other way this can be achieved to comply with 7273-4 that I can see is by running separate cables back to the control panel.

David, In the 7273-4 thread I've only just posted that it appears that Ampac Firefinder appears suitable for the 'seperate wires' method. Which other panels do you know have the 'disablement' relay or where disablements operate the fault relay?

Just replied to that as well.... Syncro does it......
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