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Offline Wiz

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Re: Green break-glass boxes
« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2010, 01:05:11 PM »
FSO, a proper EDR is green in colour (safety?) and has the words Emergency Door Release printed on it.

I don't know if this is easily recognisable to the general public or if, in a panic situation, it is even harder to recognise.

The underlying point of your question is probably that automatic release of locked doors in a fire condition is far safer than relying on someone operating an EDR. I can see this point as very valid.

However, since much can go wrong with any interface between a fire alarm system to an access control system, I would much prefer to rely on the EDR (complying to BS7273-4) than the interface link, if it was a simple choice between on of the two options.

Obviously, most systems have both and I suppose that is for the best.

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Re: Green break-glass boxes
« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2010, 03:14:29 PM »
Prof., not another document!

Is the Fire Safety Order Guidance appendix B document just guidance, or based on BS recommendations or law?


Dr Wiz I am referring to the DCLG Guidance documents published by the Government in support of the Fire Safety Order.

My cut and paste (and edit) was from the following:

http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/fire/pdf/150955.pdf

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Re: Green break-glass boxes
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2010, 04:46:57 PM »
Prof., not another document!

Is the Fire Safety Order Guidance appendix B document just guidance, or based on BS recommendations or law?


Dr Wiz I am referring to the DCLG Guidance documents published by the Government in support of the Fire Safety Order.

My cut and paste (and edit) was from the following:

http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/fire/pdf/150955.pdf


Thanks for that Prof.. I note that the document you refer to is applicable to Large Places of Assembley (300 persons or more). I wonder if it is applicable in other premises? I suppose someone could read all the various different guides to find out. I don't know what we would do with ourselves if there weren't so much guidance, recommendations and laws available for us to look at!

And is the fire alarm link mentioned in this document because it is guidance, or a recommendation or because it is written in law?

I did note, as well, that the document is the normal hotch-potch of guidance, recommendations and law and without any reference to which is which. It would be easy for anyone to believe an opinion is actually a law and visa versa.

I know I've mentioned this before, but it is one of my many gripes with so many different documents issued by various bodies about similar matters.

In the same vein, I recently read an interesting article stating that judges are actually making up Divorce laws on the spot because there is, evidently, very few laws in place. I never realised that they could do this. I thought their job was to interpret The Law as it was written. The article explained that because hardly anything was written up as being right and fair in any particular circumstances, the judges unillaterally just make things up as they see fit on a case by case basis! Can this be right?
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Re: Green break-glass boxes
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2010, 04:53:32 PM »
[. I note that the document you refer to is applicable to Large Places of Assembley (300 persons or more). I wonder if it is applicable in other premises? I suppose someone could rwead all the guides to find out. I don't know what we would do with ourselves if there weren't so much guidance, recommendations and laws available for us to look at!

They are all pretty well identical in respect of Appendix B.

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Re: Green break-glass boxes
« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2010, 12:41:26 PM »
Intrestingly I was in IKEA at the weekend and noticed that they have EDRs fitted in the situations described by Kurnal.


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Re: Green break-glass boxes
« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2010, 01:03:51 PM »
EDRs for self assembly and probably unpainted?

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Re: Green break-glass boxes
« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2010, 11:14:21 AM »
Indeed Kurnal. Also complete with pointless pictorial instructions.

But I should not worry, because no doubt it will fall apart after a year of limited use anyway. :) ::)